Re: Type 2 - MGB Surgery cure
On Aug 17, I’m having a MGB, Mini-Gastric Bypass. I don’t qualify for the
100 pounds overweight which is what is required if you’re having it to just
lose weight, but because I have a co-morbidity of Type 2, and I’m somewhat
overweight, I do qualify. They can tweak the surgery according to your weight.
It
cures Type 2 diabetes and many other medical conditions. Anyone interested
can read all about it at www.clos.net
It’s a huge website, a lot of reading, not just the first page.
Kady
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April 3rd, 2007 at 9:24 pm
I know this is an individual choicem, but it is a life-threatening
selection and woudl never be on my radar for one important reapons:
It does not take away whateber CAUSEd the problem.
My choice is to lose the weight by correcting my lifestyle and eating
habits. My grat friend who had the bypass recently - also for what *I*
see as teh wrong reasons - was in intensive care for a MONTH - and took
for ever to get to a state where she wo\could walk. She still can not do
as much as she coudl do when obese, she has lost 98 bs since the surgery
but she looks lke a corpse. HEr eating habits are as hoprrid as they
were before - vegetarian nonsense.
And now she needsd another sutrgery this month to fix whatever went
wrong sith the first one.
The point is that the statistics for dangerous side effects are VERY high.
And the statistics for later consequential issues are also very high.
The idea that it "cures" Diabetes type 2 is absurd to me as a reason to
take this enormous risk. If indeed that cures diabetes, so will eating
properly - anad the latter will maintaina nd improve health overall.
The surgery just swaps one disease for another - IF you are lucky enough
to survive it. That’s no win in MY book.
You can re-develop diabetes the same way a 2nd time round if the
lifestyle remains the way that caused it the first time.
My own approach has been no drugs no surgery.
I have gone from diabetes with insulin dependence and serious side
effects in Nov 2004 when I was diagnosed, to a fasting glucose of 85
with zero side effects. I’m not totally cured yet I have 50 lbs to go
still, but my fasting glucose of 85 with zero medications tells a nice
story of progress.
Also, ALL my labs (apart from cortisol from tumours which was the
cause in my case) are now normal. My cortisol has a long way to go as
the tumours are still there. Basically I am learning to live around that
problem as I gradually work on that too.
The main thing is I am just so much *healthier* than I ever could be
with such drastic measures as my best friend used and from which her
suffering continues at a life-threatening level nearly 18 months later.
She’s lost her job. her student loans, her position ion college, her
enthusiasm for life. And for what?
She STILL has fibromyalgia etc etc
Surgery is not a "cure". It is a serious high risk damage to the stomach
which is not reversible, and is a new substitute disease. You are stuck
with the damage and with whatever high incidence of complications you
happen to get.
> I don’t qualify for the
> 100 pounds overweight………….
I can not believe anyone would condone this surgery for only a 100 lbs
of weight!
At my weight watcher group today, we had maybe 30 people there who have
lost that much, and are loving their new REAL health. They have no
substitute disease to live with.
(I am not a 100 winner yet - but soon will be. I’ve lost 90 so far and
that despite cortisol tumours - so it can be done safely and heathily.)
So KAdy - I wish you well in what you do but I sure hope you know the
REAL risks and consequences and not just the hype. It’s no easy solution
and for only 100 lbs? Wow do you not think the cost in health losses and
risks is way too high compared with doing it by diet and exercise and
getting healthier instead of a new disease?
Namaste,
Irene
April 4th, 2007 at 1:12 am
Irene, you didn’t read the website !
This is NOT like any surgery you have ever heard of before, you cannot
compare to it anyone else’s weight loss surgery. Many of the other surgeries
are
extremely dangers. This one IS very easily reversible. It DOES cure
diabetes, plus many other serious health problems. It’s not only a 100 pound
weight
loss. I don’t need to lose 100 pounds. They do it on people who are
overweight only a little, 30 lbs. or so, who have co-morbid diabetes, and they
do it
on 400 plus pound people. You do NOT re-develop diabetes or any of the other
medical diseases it cures. It has to do with the way the surgery is done.
I put the website on here for those who wish to research it for themselves.
Sorry, I wasn’t asking your opinion, especially not your uninformed opinion.
You didn’t read the first thing about it. I’ve done my research on it for the
last year; I didn’t fall off the turnip wagon yesterday. You had an
off-the-cuff reaction without investigating.
Kady
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April 4th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Guilty as charged of having an opinion - but by putting the post on the
list you DO ask for one:-)
I wrote because I care. And the website you sent includes the link to
the complications which you conveniently onited to notice is part of the
deal:-)
I know about those, and wrote about them. they are there despite this
supposedly simple procedure. Being slightly less terrible than other
gastric bypasses does not make it good!
Surgery involves general anesthetic.
The people trying to "sell" it to make money, call it "a short, simple,
successful and inexpensive laparoscopic gastric bypass weight loss
surgery. The operation usually takes only 30 min., hospitalization less
than 24 hours."
Just the general anesthetic alone can and does kill people and does not
fix the dietary errors as I said.
So I hold to my opinion.
And it DOES come form the website you posted:-)
My friend had a supposedly simple procedure too - it is not good to be
blind to the complications and just "hope" they will not apply to you.
Is that your opinion?
You are being very defensive about a dangerous procedure you WANT to see
as safe and that is not safe.
I saw several of the websites pointed to at the link you gave. The most
relevant one is the complications list - not the sales hype statement.
I wish you well - safely well.
Namaste,
Irene
April 5th, 2007 at 7:56 am
Hi,
I am very uniformed about this issue but I would like to say again what I
wrote in the past. The surgery for gastric bypass did cure diabetes in (I
believe it was) 82%. It was not due to weight loss but something in the
surgery itself. Diabetes was gone right after surgery before any weight loss
occurred. This is a mystery that is unsolved by the medical profession. I am
5′7" and weigh 130 lbs. I am totally out of control from the day I was
diagnosed approximately four years ago. I take insulin and wake up with
readings of 400 to HI. (too high to read). If I could find a Dr. that would
perform the surgery on me, I would take the risk because I believe it would
be better than my current position. I can only think that there is something
in the stomach that is causing diabetes and the surgery ties off so it no
longer has access to our system. If that mystery could be solved, the
surgery may not be necessary. Feel free to critique this uniformed post. My
major is law, not medical.
Kat
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MyCJWorld@aol. <mailto:MyCJWorld%40aol.com> com wrote:
> On Aug 17, I’m having a MGB, Mini-Gastric Bypass.
I know this is an individual choicem, but it is a life-threatening
selection and woudl never be on my radar for one important reapons:
It does not take away whateber CAUSEd the problem.
My choice is to lose the weight by correcting my lifestyle and eating
habits. My grat friend who had the bypass recently - also for what *I*
see as teh wrong reasons - was in intensive care for a MONTH - and took
for ever to get to a state where she wo\could walk. She still can not do
as much as she coudl do when obese, she has lost 98 bs since the surgery
but she looks lke a corpse. HEr eating habits are as hoprrid as they
were before - vegetarian nonsense.
And now she needsd another sutrgery this month to fix whatever went
wrong sith the first one.
The point is that the statistics for dangerous side effects are VERY high.
And the statistics for later consequential issues are also very high.
The idea that it "cures" Diabetes type 2 is absurd to me as a reason to
take this enormous risk. If indeed that cures diabetes, so will eating
properly - anad the latter will maintaina nd improve health overall.
The surgery just swaps one disease for another - IF you are lucky enough
to survive it. That’s no win in MY book.
You can re-develop diabetes the same way a 2nd time round if the
lifestyle remains the way that caused it the first time.
My own approach has been no drugs no surgery.
I have gone from diabetes with insulin dependence and serious side
effects in Nov 2004 when I was diagnosed, to a fasting glucose of 85
with zero side effects. I’m not totally cured yet I have 50 lbs to go
still, but my fasting glucose of 85 with zero medications tells a nice
story of progress.
Also, ALL my labs (apart from cortisol from tumours which was the
cause in my case) are now normal. My cortisol has a long way to go as
the tumours are still there. Basically I am learning to live around that
problem as I gradually work on that too.
The main thing is I am just so much *healthier* than I ever could be
with such drastic measures as my best friend used and from which her
suffering continues at a life-threatening level nearly 18 months later.
She’s lost her job. her student loans, her position ion college, her
enthusiasm for life. And for what?
She STILL has fibromyalgia etc etc
Surgery is not a "cure". It is a serious high risk damage to the stomach
which is not reversible, and is a new substitute disease. You are stuck
with the damage and with whatever high incidence of complications you
happen to get.
> I don’t qualify for the
> 100 pounds overweight………….
I can not believe anyone would condone this surgery for only a 100 lbs
of weight!
At my weight watcher group today, we had maybe 30 people there who have
lost that much, and are loving their new REAL health. They have no
substitute disease to live with.
(I am not a 100 winner yet - but soon will be. I’ve lost 90 so far and
that despite cortisol tumours - so it can be done safely and heathily.)
So KAdy - I wish you well in what you do but I sure hope you know the
REAL risks and consequences and not just the hype. It’s no easy solution
and for only 100 lbs? Wow do you not think the cost in health losses and
risks is way too high compared with doing it by diet and exercise and
getting healthier instead of a new disease?
Namaste,
Irene
–
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
April 5th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
| On Aug 17, I’m having a MGB, Mini-Gastric Bypass. I don’t qualify for
the
| 100 pounds overweight which is what is required if you’re having it to
just
| lose weight, but because I have a co-morbidity of Type 2, and I’m somewhat
| overweight, I do qualify. They can tweak the surgery according to your
weight. It
| cures Type 2 diabetes and many other medical conditions. Anyone
interested
| can read all about it at www.clos.net
| It’s a huge website, a lot of reading, not just the first page.
| Kady
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July 24, 2006
Obesity Surgery Often Leads to Complications, Study Says
New York Times
By ROBERT PEAR
WASHINGTON, July 23 - Four of every 10 patients who undergo weight-loss
surgery develop complications within six months, the federal government said
Sunday.
The number of such surgical procedures has been rising rapidly, along with
the incidence of obesity, which now afflicts 30 percent of adults in the
United States, health officials said.
Obesity surgery is helping thousands of Americans lose weight and reduce the
risk of diabetes and other life-threatening diseases, said Dr. Carolyn M.
Clancy, director of the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, a unit
of the Public Health Service. But she added, "This study shows how important
it is for patients to consider the potential complications."
Many of the complications were so serious that patients were readmitted to
hospitals or visited emergency rooms within six months.
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