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		<title>By: Dave Black</title>
		<link>http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2007/03/22/inflammation-reduction-with-enzymes/#comment-11767</link>
		<author>Dave Black</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm referring to the fibrinolytic enzymes serrapeptase and
nattokinase; these are quite specific to breaking down the fibrin
in clots.

The reason you'd use fibrinolytics is that production of one's
only fibrinolytic enzyme, plasmin, drops significantly with age;
some of the research is on my website.

Nattokinase is about 4 times as powerful as plasmin and it
apparently jacks up one's own sagging plasmin production as well.
The outcome is less inflammation, less thombosis, less blood
coagulation, and less fibrois in inflammatory disease and as one
ages. They are heart attack and stroke risk reducers.

They are much better than proteolytics for this job, they are
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specifically fibrinolytics, about an exact match for what you
want to accomplish. Serrapeptase and nattokinase apparently don't
cause damage even at fairly high doses.

To answer your question on nutrients, natural plasmin production
drops with age regardless of adequate nutrients being available.
As plasmin is your only fibrinolytic enzyme, when it drops,
clotting and inflammation increase.

Antioxidants do not address this cause of inflammation. I'm a big
fan of keeping the antioxidant pool up; that being said your
natural plasmin, and supplemental serapeptase and nattokinase,
reduce thrombois, blood coagulation and fibrosis, functions that
are not directly covered by antioxidants.

These two fibrinolytic enzymes have been shown to be safe enough
that they can be purchased OTC and used as directed by people
with no experience.

Vitamin E and garlic are not OTC fibrinolytic enzymes that will
dissolve clots; they work a different way and I agree - use 'em.

I won't comment on the rest of your post because your negative
past experience resulted in assumptions that don't appear to
apply.

We can pick it up later if you like; for now, it will suffice to
say that a diabetic's peripheral arterial disease and resulting
neuropathy and purple toes, can be prevented, and the circulatory
issues reduced or eliminated, in just days to a few weeks.

For many, that means avoiding amputation, which is still the
preferred medical 'cure' for this condition. I think the medical
machine would have to agree that the risk of amputation is a much
bigger risk than that produced by a few OTC enzymes that are
generally recognised to be pretty safe.

If anyone has drug-resistant foot and leg ulcers, they might like
to know that these also can be pretty quickly cured without
resorting to the most popular medical 'cure', that being leg
amputation. The smaller ulcers respond readily to topical
applications of ozonated olive oil, and the larger ones, to limb
bagging with oxygen/ozone gas at home, or bio-oxidative IV by a
naturopath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m referring to the fibrinolytic enzymes serrapeptase and<br />
nattokinase; these are quite specific to breaking down the fibrin<br />
in clots.</p>
<p>The reason you&#8217;d use fibrinolytics is that production of one&#8217;s<br />
only fibrinolytic enzyme, plasmin, drops significantly with age;<br />
some of the research is on my website.</p>
<p>Nattokinase is about 4 times as powerful as plasmin and it<br />
apparently jacks up one&#8217;s own sagging plasmin production as well.<br />
The outcome is less inflammation, less thombosis, less blood<br />
coagulation, and less fibrois in inflammatory disease and as one<br />
ages. They are heart attack and stroke risk reducers.</p>
<p>They are much better than proteolytics for this job, they are<br />
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specifically fibrinolytics, about an exact match for what you<br />
want to accomplish. Serrapeptase and nattokinase apparently don&#8217;t<br />
cause damage even at fairly high doses.</p>
<p>To answer your question on nutrients, natural plasmin production<br />
drops with age regardless of adequate nutrients being available.<br />
As plasmin is your only fibrinolytic enzyme, when it drops,<br />
clotting and inflammation increase.</p>
<p>Antioxidants do not address this cause of inflammation. I&#8217;m a big<br />
fan of keeping the antioxidant pool up; that being said your<br />
natural plasmin, and supplemental serapeptase and nattokinase,<br />
reduce thrombois, blood coagulation and fibrosis, functions that<br />
are not directly covered by antioxidants.</p>
<p>These two fibrinolytic enzymes have been shown to be safe enough<br />
that they can be purchased OTC and used as directed by people<br />
with no experience.</p>
<p>Vitamin E and garlic are not OTC fibrinolytic enzymes that will<br />
dissolve clots; they work a different way and I agree - use &#8216;em.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t comment on the rest of your post because your negative<br />
past experience resulted in assumptions that don&#8217;t appear to<br />
apply.</p>
<p>We can pick it up later if you like; for now, it will suffice to<br />
say that a diabetic&#8217;s peripheral arterial disease and resulting<br />
neuropathy and purple toes, can be prevented, and the circulatory<br />
issues reduced or eliminated, in just days to a few weeks.</p>
<p>For many, that means avoiding amputation, which is still the<br />
preferred medical &#8216;cure&#8217; for this condition. I think the medical<br />
machine would have to agree that the risk of amputation is a much<br />
bigger risk than that produced by a few OTC enzymes that are<br />
generally recognised to be pretty safe.</p>
<p>If anyone has drug-resistant foot and leg ulcers, they might like<br />
to know that these also can be pretty quickly cured without<br />
resorting to the most popular medical &#8216;cure&#8217;, that being leg<br />
amputation. The smaller ulcers respond readily to topical<br />
applications of ozonated olive oil, and the larger ones, to limb<br />
bagging with oxygen/ozone gas at home, or bio-oxidative IV by a<br />
naturopath.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Smith</title>
		<link>http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2007/03/22/inflammation-reduction-with-enzymes/#comment-11764</link>
		<author>Dave Smith</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duncan,
Thanks - I do not have any of those issues. No plaque, my BP is
102/78. Cortisol itself is inflammatory and is what I was referring to
by an &#34;inflamamtory state&#34;, and that can not be reduced by any easy method.
My lessening inflammatory state is due to homeopathy having reduced the
cortisol from carcinoid tumours from 320 to about 149 currently per day
(heading for a normal of 10).
The mere presence in the system of such high cortisol is usually
deadly over a few years. I eat a very anti-inflammatory diet along with
the homeopathy to beat this.

However - what bacterial enzymes are you referring to, and why would one
use them from bacteria instead of having the body make them from raw
materials?
I assume they are proteolytic, which I know from my own research does
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damage in any amount other than exactly what's needed. It's why I
generally do not recommend enzymes but rather the nutrients the body
uses to make them as needed.

&#62; This should be of interest to a majority of adults in the general
&#62; population and 100% of diabetics.

Why?
I agree that fighting cell level inflammation is the objective but
that does not necessarily make bacterial enzymes the way to do it.
Antioxidant foods are a lot safer, tastier, and more normal to the body,
and are every bit as powerful chemically, and will not do the wrong
things in the body.

I HAD all those things and others - till I changed my diet (and added
homeopathy).
I did have PAD, it's gone now - all it needs is Vit E high dose with
fish oil and an anti-inflammatory diet.
I had heart attacks and BP 210/165. That came right the same way plus
homeopathy - to now a BP of 102/78.

Vit E is IMO far safer along with fish oil and spinach - and there is
IMO NEVER a good place for rat poison in humans (warfarin, coumadin etc)

&#62; When you start to look at the research you'll note that enzymes
&#62; have been used for awhile

Never safely.
I was one of the proteolytic enzyme researchers - from way back in the
70S, so yes I know they are old news - but not all good news. Researched
12 of them, including bromelein and papain, the ones you mention - they
are very nasty chemicals, IMO not toys to mess with instead of proper
nutrients.

Proteolytic means they split proteins - but there is no way they know
what proteins to split and which ones to leave alone. It's not like they
have a guidance system.

????
Easy to make a mixture and sell it.
Where's the proof of what the enzymes do in the body?
Even in rabbits they were unsafe, causing side effect damage to
cartilage for example. You could not pay me to eat the stuff over
healthy alternatives.

Namaste,
Irene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan,<br />
Thanks - I do not have any of those issues. No plaque, my BP is<br />
102/78. Cortisol itself is inflammatory and is what I was referring to<br />
by an &quot;inflamamtory state&quot;, and that can not be reduced by any easy method.<br />
My lessening inflammatory state is due to homeopathy having reduced the<br />
cortisol from carcinoid tumours from 320 to about 149 currently per day<br />
(heading for a normal of 10).<br />
The mere presence in the system of such high cortisol is usually<br />
deadly over a few years. I eat a very anti-inflammatory diet along with<br />
the homeopathy to beat this.</p>
<p>However - what bacterial enzymes are you referring to, and why would one<br />
use them from bacteria instead of having the body make them from raw<br />
materials?<br />
I assume they are proteolytic, which I know from my own research does<br />
<!--more--><br />
damage in any amount other than exactly what&#8217;s needed. It&#8217;s why I<br />
generally do not recommend enzymes but rather the nutrients the body<br />
uses to make them as needed.</p>
<p>&gt; This should be of interest to a majority of adults in the general<br />
&gt; population and 100% of diabetics.</p>
<p>Why?<br />
I agree that fighting cell level inflammation is the objective but<br />
that does not necessarily make bacterial enzymes the way to do it.<br />
Antioxidant foods are a lot safer, tastier, and more normal to the body,<br />
and are every bit as powerful chemically, and will not do the wrong<br />
things in the body.</p>
<p>I HAD all those things and others - till I changed my diet (and added<br />
homeopathy).<br />
I did have PAD, it&#8217;s gone now - all it needs is Vit E high dose with<br />
fish oil and an anti-inflammatory diet.<br />
I had heart attacks and BP 210/165. That came right the same way plus<br />
homeopathy - to now a BP of 102/78.</p>
<p>Vit E is IMO far safer along with fish oil and spinach - and there is<br />
IMO NEVER a good place for rat poison in humans (warfarin, coumadin etc)</p>
<p>&gt; When you start to look at the research you&#8217;ll note that enzymes<br />
&gt; have been used for awhile</p>
<p>Never safely.<br />
I was one of the proteolytic enzyme researchers - from way back in the<br />
70S, so yes I know they are old news - but not all good news. Researched<br />
12 of them, including bromelein and papain, the ones you mention - they<br />
are very nasty chemicals, IMO not toys to mess with instead of proper<br />
nutrients.</p>
<p>Proteolytic means they split proteins - but there is no way they know<br />
what proteins to split and which ones to leave alone. It&#8217;s not like they<br />
have a guidance system.</p>
<p>????<br />
Easy to make a mixture and sell it.<br />
Where&#8217;s the proof of what the enzymes do in the body?<br />
Even in rabbits they were unsafe, causing side effect damage to<br />
cartilage for example. You could not pay me to eat the stuff over<br />
healthy alternatives.</p>
<p>Namaste,<br />
Irene</p>
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