type 2
Can someone suggest a diabetic diet please. Thanks, Connie
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Dear Liz,
In my view:
You need to test it under normal conditions to know what the true
situation is. Under stress, the body often makes extra sugar so a
hospital stay suggests stress. I’d check under more normal conditions to
see if there is any diabetic tendency 
Don’t assume it from a
hospital reading - but don’t ignore it either - I would suggest a
re-check under less stressful conditions.
It doesn’t hurt to eat healthy when there is diabetes in the family
anyway of course. A diabetic diet is a healthy one for anyone.
Namaste,
Irene
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September 27th, 2006 at 12:12 am
Connie ,
after reading some of Robert Youngs Ph Miracle for
diabetes, I think this would be the basic way to go,
for anyone . I haven’t read Dr. Bernsteins book , I
just ordered it from Baarnes and Nobles to look at it
at least. In Youngs plan you have the idea of liquid
greens cleansing (he recommends 14 days), and wheat
grass is good for this at least some of the time ,
then a diet of green smoothies raw veg etc . WHeat
grass juice is high in all nutrients, low in sugar and
balances sugar it is also a super liver claenser
.Testimonials in the book say that after struggling
for years with diabetes issues , and carb addictions
etc , they all went away . Changing the diet to a
healthier green diet after cleansing wasn’t hard for
these people because they developed taste for the
better foods, and felt better.
I am going to do this myself even though I’m not
diabetic and have no serious health issues except I
suspect some sort of hypoglycemia. I am going to do it
with my daughter , if I can , and even if she doesn’t
do it I will.
It is hard committing to a real plan to become
healthy . It means leaving behind an old way of life
(principally made up of suffering ), the devil you
know , for an opportunity to be free. They say that we
are more scared of success than failure. But that when
the pain of staying the same is even or greater than
the perceived pain of changing- thats when we move .
I feel as I write really overwhelmed by the
challenges in front of me . Feel the fear and do it
anyway . Live in the moment , and avoid thinking about
either the past or the future. In the end none of us,
whatever our problems are, has any choice but to "go
for It". I will probably look back and say ,"how come
it took me so long to get here".
Liz
October 1st, 2006 at 3:01 pm
Thanks Liz, I actually have that book and will start reading it today.
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts with me. God bless. Connie
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Connie ,
after reading some of Robert Youngs Ph Miracle for
diabetes, I think this would be the basic way to go,
for anyone . I haven’t read Dr. Bernsteins book , I
just ordered it from Baarnes and Nobles to look at it
at least. In Youngs plan you have the idea of liquid
greens cleansing (he recommends 14 days), and wheat
grass is good for this at least some of the time ,
then a diet of green smoothies raw veg etc . WHeat
grass juice is high in all nutrients, low in sugar and
balances sugar it is also a super liver claenser
.Testimonials in the book say that after struggling
for years with diabetes issues , and carb addictions
etc , they all went away . Changing the diet to a
healthier green diet after cleansing wasn’t hard for
these people because they developed taste for the
better foods, and felt better.
I am going to do this myself even though I’m not
diabetic and have no serious health issues except I
suspect some sort of hypoglycemia. I am going to do it
with my daughter , if I can , and even if she doesn’t
do it I will.
It is hard committing to a real plan to become
healthy . It means leaving behind an old way of life
(principally made up of suffering ), the devil you
know , for an opportunity to be free. They say that we
are more scared of success than failure. But that when
the pain of staying the same is even or greater than
the perceived pain of changing- thats when we move .
I feel as I write really overwhelmed by the
challenges in front of me . Feel the fear and do it
anyway . Live in the moment , and avoid thinking about
either the past or the future. In the end none of us,
whatever our problems are, has any choice but to "go
for It". I will probably look back and say ,"how come
it took me so long to get here".
Liz
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October 3rd, 2006 at 7:56 pm
Actually I was under the impression that the grasses
are totally different than the seed , There is no
gluten in the grasses. Isn’t it more likely you were
getting cleansing reactions , or that at least the
alkaloids in the grasses are very strong and they have
to be taken in small doses at first by ANYOne inorder
to get aclimated to them . I heard that when you drink
this stuff or any green juice , the liver starts
dunping toxins back into the blood stream inorder to
be flushed out and thats one of the main reasons
people feel lousy and also have emotional reactions-
memories thatgo along with those toxins which have
been stored.
Liz
October 4th, 2006 at 6:14 am
will wheatgrass as cud work as well as juiced?
Dennis
I say go for it, you will never know if you don’t try. It might be just
the thing for you, especially if you are drawn to it as you seem to be.
Good luck
rachel
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October 4th, 2006 at 6:08 pm
ann wigmore!!! that’s the woman i was trying to remember.
before her death she decided that blending in a blender
was better than juicing.
i have 10 pounds of worm castings ready and the wheatberries are on the way.
the stuff should grow like crazy.
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October 5th, 2006 at 6:45 am
Unless ,again, your reaction was a release of
allergies / allergic activity in response to cleansing
. As far as wheat grass could be related to grain and
gluten , I’m sure there are authorities on this , but
there is no gluten in the juice . The proteins
released in juicing may be related to the proteins
in gluten. But I think that the cleansing properties
in the wheat juice would vastly outweigh the slight
intrusion of wheat proteins ?? Perhaps if there is a
doubt about the wheat connection you could use other
green vegetables to cleanse instead and see if the
allergic "reactions" are the same .
I don’t know enough about all the healing reactions,
but I know that I have read about people experiencing
specific symptoms, the very symptoms they associated
with the diseases they were trying to cleanse! in
reaction to cleansing , and getting discouraged when
actually it is the body’s only way of expelling
toxins.
I think when people don’t know to expect this they
naturally get very alarmed .
Even after getting past initial reactions , and
feeling better , the body will even then continue to
give you healing reactions as it reaches deeper into
the supplies of toxins in the liver for e. g. So the
cleansing doesn’t all happen at once but may take
months . Some phases are energizing and some
depressing and symptom loaded as the body releases the
toxins gradually.
Liz
October 6th, 2006 at 2:09 am
Seriously , if you are going to grow it read up . You
only grow it to a certain height before it "joints" I
think , because that is when the blades contain the
most energy . I haven’t tried it myself yet . But I
hope I have a green thumb . You have to be careful
what you grow it in too, and watch out for fungus
around the roots . etc etc REad up. Liz
October 7th, 2006 at 6:15 pm
Liz is right. They have measured the nutrient levels in wheatgrass
juice before the jointing stage and after the jointing stage. After
the nutrition levels go down. They believe this is because at the
jointing stage, a new seed begins to be produced and it is theorized
that the plant puts all the nutritional energy into the seed.
Rachel,
Most people who drink wheatgrass for the first time experience nausea,
or a bad reation as you mention. By drinking less, or diluting it,
this problem usually goes away. It is believed that there is so much
readily available, high nutrition in wheatgrass, that the body
immeadiately starts using the nutrients to cleanse the body, liver,
etc. The more toxic the body, the more toxic the reaction. Gluten
reactions are not an issue whith wheatgrass juice, that I am aware of.
(but certainly anything is possible)
November 4th, 2006 at 3:14 pm
Rachel, if the first sip of anything produces a reaction, it’s
not a healing or cleansing reaction. Unlike allergic responses,
Herxheimer and cleansing reactions to oral supplements take many
hours at the very least, and usually days, to develop.
That being said, some electromedical therapies that treat the
whole body in a very short time produce a reaction also in a
short time.
And THAT being said, an allergic response is usually caused by an
improperly controlled immune system. Allergic responses can be
reduced or even eleiminated, and that’s a good idea partly
because one might initially react to something that would
normally be extemely beneficial, and mainly because an
uncontrolled immune response results in chronic inflammation,
blood coagulation, fibrosis and such, all of which are linked to
many diseases, autoimune diseases included.
So, taking a look at the specific supplement you’re initially
reacting to and deciding whether it is a natural response to
react to it, how much of the general population reacts to it, and
whether controlling the excessive reaction would be beneficial,
would be a good idea.
Things you react to today you may not react to next month.
November 5th, 2006 at 10:41 pm
Rachel ,
Maybe the way to go is elimination FIRST , Ie
eliminate gluten , and then probably milk , before
you add more challenges to the body .
As Duncan says your reactions may be the sign of
improperly controled immune system ( I think this is
an example: I have heard of people thinking they are
allergic to cats , until they removed the gluten from
their diet , and then suddenly they had no more cat
allergies . Ie It wasn’t really about the cat is was
about the gluten overloading their system ).
As Duncan says you might react initially to something
that normally would be beneficial , because an
uncontrolled immune response results in inflamation
etc etc.
From what you said about your own knowledge of your
food allergens , wheat /gluten etc , which I think you
said your are addicted to , it would make total sense
to eliminate these first for at least 90 days before
starting a program of detoxing / regeneration with
wheat grass.
How about that? I t’s my hunch that this is it .
LIz
November 7th, 2006 at 10:04 am
P. S . Dr BErnsteins diabetes Solution diet basically
eliminates grains too.
I have found that when I totally gave up gluten
recently , I was naturally looking around for
something else filling and I gravitated to
nuts/trailmix, prunes , vegetables steamed and raw
etc. Chicken soup with a lot of veg too. and home made
guacamole. I take probiotics if I eat friut because I
know that fruit ( except for green apples) like sugar
and wine gets me more yeasty. Dr Bernsteins diet says
leave fruit out except for avocadoes . Pickles and
cucumbers , egg plants and zuchini are fine. I also
take food supplements in water for breakfast such as
KYo Greens green powder and Sunrider brand NU PLUS
whole food powder, and their Fortune delight powder.
I am getting a raw foods chef to come to my house
next sunday. I will pay for her by inviting some of my
health conscious friends to watch her do demos .
Incidentally she said that one family that she and
her partner were working with had turned around an 8
year old girl with a lot of hyperactivity . THe
mother of the family also has cancer. THe school
couldn’t believe that the little girl isn’t on
medication . She is at the top of the class now . THe
girl wouldn’t eat anything good before , and was a
sugar addict.Her favorite raw food recipe now is a
chocolate pudding made of Irish Moss(the sea weed)! It
goes to show it’s all about the food.
November 7th, 2006 at 7:58 pm
PPS Rachel ,
thanks for response to the Add /emotional/childhood
stuff and the that observation about trauma and
children . You said something like : It doesn’t need
to be the kind of massive or repeated trauma that we
associate with dysfunctional families . It can be
smaller but devastating or undermining acts of
disconnect or negligence between parents and children
that can throw the child off course , into a no-mans
land , where issues of bonding and feeding may becone
lifelong probelms . I totally agree. I have read this
before somewhere and it struck me as very true . In
our culture we are always being told that we have it
good, compared especially to the hardships of our
ancestors. We are also expected to get over / grow out
of these hurts, when infact they just stay burried.
This tends to make us keep ignoring and minimizing the
crucial things that really have cost us our personal
freedom and happiness in many ways . It is liberating
to hear that continual small acts of negligence can
screw you up just as badly as the big acts of abuse !
Acknowledgement of these personal stories : and
telling of the persoanl stories is crucial to
unlocking the issues which keep us underfunctioning
and also Physically sick . We do not have to have a
competition with the next person to prove that we had
a hard time . We just need validation of our own
stories .
November 8th, 2006 at 3:54 am
Hi < Duncan , Rachel , Irene , Linda , Connie Dennis
, Brock et al
I found out some things from a raw foods book on line
chapter excerpt by Michael Snyder.
November 10th, 2006 at 5:52 am
How about a shamanic healing or some energy work,
Reiki /reflexology . I have had a bit of everything
lately and I must admit it is good.
The sahamanic healing is not intrusive . I had this
in August and didn’t know what to expect . You don’t
give your power away to the healer. The whole thing I
found was a gentle but definite way to put you
intouch with lost parts of yourself/ your soul without
retraumatizing yourself. Esp. the soul retrieval thing
they do. I found it very energizing and empowering and
finally peaceful . It helps with physical healing
too because puting yourself in a healing spiritual /
emotional place automatically lets your body stop
fighting , and begin to sort itself out.
I think I would do it again , now I am in a different
place, more trusting that the Universe wants to help ,
and will send me the right people.Liz
November 13th, 2006 at 1:29 am
Actually I’m a novice client . The first healer was in
a tent up at Omega in Rhinebeck NY . She gave me a
recording of the "dream" she recounted to me as she
was drumming around me as part of the soul retrieval
part of the session . I haven’t listened to her
account agin , but it involved her speaking to the
little girl , that was me , and asking her to come
back etc. As importanrt as the session was the example
of this 50 something yr old woman herself , doing her
calling and being in it , being loving , spiritual and
not giving a shit for waht anyone thimks , including
her own grown children!!
The other Shaman who came to my house for a house
cleansing has a webb site www.marahlight.com . She
is a friends sister.She has travelled and studied with
different people and blended Judaist shamanism in with
it . So she used sage, drummed and invoked various
multicultural sprits while she was at my house , but
the basic routine was very Indian and south American
too. She was here 3 hours . Today I am going back to
another friend for a smorgasbord of energy work . She
does a little reiki and reflexology . Puts great music
on . We talk a little at the end . SHe used a heating
pad on my chest at the end last time because I had
chest pains and My son had walking pmneumonia - I
thought I was coming down with it . The stress gets
too much for me sometimes since my daughters
diagnosis. I have been trying to get the family
healthy , but they are teens aand their father ranges
from unsupportive to undermining . He drinks heavily
too, so sometimes it feels like there’s nothing I can
do to stop things getting really bad . When I am angry
and afraid , my chest or my heart chakra or something
constricts really badly . A shaman I spoke to over the
phone said that my daughter would come on board with
health , that her diagnosis was a catalyst for me etc
and that I was going to unfold into my destiny , I am
the alpha wolf of my family etc , that the children
are listening even though it doesan’t seem like it ,
but every day the stress builds anyway . She told me
to continue taking care of my self , with this kind of
energy support . I said Iwas much better at asking for
help. She said she felt I had a strong urge to escape.
I said sure thing !!!, because sometimes it feels like
I’m getting nowhere , and neither am I able to really
be my self , it seems. Sometimes I think I should go
away , be myself on that farm or whereevr , and then
the children can "choose " to find me when they need .
Meantime I can be free of the ridiculous amount of
going nowhere stress I feel .
But I decided that in the mean time I would have the
"healthy "house with healthy food and no gluten . They
can get crap outside . A raw foods chef is coming
next sunday, for the afternoonn . Seriously I don’t
know how everything is going to unfold, but the shaman
picked up that I had been researching a lot of things
, spiritual, nutritional, family , political and
religious for a long tiime(like my whole life ), that
my number is 40/4 on the numerology thing - intuitive
and analyticaland spiritual, and that all of it would
come together some how. So somehow I have to learn to
get out of the way and let it happen . Liz
November 24th, 2006 at 5:50 am
All of this shayman healing, smudging , mind changing psychedelic herb stuff,
etc etc has really wandered way far off even the alternative healing path.
Do those of us who believe in God and the Bible as His inerrant word get equal
time to explain healing as provided therein?
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November 24th, 2006 at 6:11 pm
I think of spiritual methods as being at the very least, vitamins for
the psyche; part and parcel of physical healing. Indeed, many people
will point out that physical healing is exceedingly difficult without
this component.
We don’t have to discuss religious doctrine to point out that faith
serves a purpose just as the other parts of a healing regimen do.
The Mazatec Indians are in fact deeply religious Catholics, so they
know the premise that ‘all healing comes from God’. To them, Salvia
divinorum IS the reincarnation of Mary The Shepherdess, who
facilitates a deeper understanding of the universe.
With regard to questioning the role entheogens might play in religion,
this question has aleady been asked and answered by the best:
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Can psychoactive sacramentals - entheogens - have a place in
contemporary religious practices as they did in ancient times?
Rev. George Cairns for example finds common ground between Gospel-
based prayer and the sacramental use of entheogens: through both
practices we can experience the understanding of our divine connection
with each other and all Creation. The answer coming from the experts
is mainly, yes.
Can the careful use of entheogens really aid in spiritual development?
Many who have experienced it first-hand would answer in the
affirmative.
In a famous psilocybe experiment in 1962, of nine divinity students
given the placebo, five (55.5 percent) were still in the ministry 25
years later; of the ten given the manna, eight (80 percent) were still
in the ministry. The researcher remarked, All of the psilocybin
subjects…but none of the controls, still considered their original
experience to have had genuinely mystical elements and to have made a
uniquely valuable contribution to their spiritual life. The positive
changes… had persisted over time and had deepened in some cases.
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November 25th, 2006 at 9:10 am
This is so far off of the type of divine healing promised in the Bible, which
is what I’m speaking of.
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November 25th, 2006 at 1:55 pm
Like all Catholics, Mazatec natives believe in miracles. Dialogue on
divine healing probably belongs in another thread.
November 26th, 2006 at 2:38 am
To me all nature is divine , and has mysterious
properties , which we instinctvely recognize , and
primitive people all know this ,therefore the Indians
blending of all the divine things they know or have
been taught makes it’s own sense . It is not a problem
for them to find a way to combine all good stuff
together .
In the Bible too healing comes through nature , (and
sometimes destruction comes through nature too, eg the
ten plagues ).
The Jews eat bitter herbs before leaving on the
exodus. Bitter herbs probably included herbs we know
today as having anti bacterial/anti fungal , even anti
viral properties .At the same time the Egyptian
first born were dying probably from the grain given in
2 helpings (a traditional privilege for the first
born), which may have been contaminated with toxic
fungus, after the hail. Orthodox Jews have very
strict rules about avoiding fungi which date at
least that far back . (see on line the ecological
explanation of the plagues)
Monotheism doesn’t mean that nature , plant life and
food , did not have divine energy in the Bible .
Quite the reverse . There are more examples than I
can think of right now .
The wise men brought frankincense and myrrh to the
infant Jesus . These were not just perfumes , they
have medicinal value .
Theres that O>T story of the king who is told to bathe
in the Jordan , because he had leprosy or something .
He complained that it was too muddy , but there must
have been some curing algae or minerals in it .
When the woman put some perfume on Jesus feet and the
disciples wanted to chase her off, Jesus said , "Let
her be she is preparing me for burrial" Ie here is
another sign of the ritual use of natural ,
energetically charged sacred substances , taken from
plants .
If we surround ourselves with , consume and respect
the medicinal value of the plants and rocks , and
water of nature , we get closer to the divine , and
healing is likely to take place when these natural
things are dedicated to higher good , or treated as
manifestations of higher good.
People who have adopted green diets /raw food / wheat
grass juice etc have found themselves closer to the
divine . It is because they are consuming things
filled with divine energy . sunlight , chlorophyl ,
water , minerals , living enzymes .Energy that we
ourselves evolved from and are born of ,of but loose
touch with as we get further from nature as we age and
our diets and ritual life and connection to the earth
gets weaker . Liz
November 26th, 2006 at 9:32 pm
salvia is a member of the coleus family most of which will get you high if you
don’t mind being poisoned at the same time.
Dennis the Old Hippy
Like all Catholics, Mazatec natives believe in miracles. Dialogue on
divine healing probably belongs in another thread.
Duncan
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November 27th, 2006 at 12:22 pm
I agree, and I respect that many aboriginal cultures saw fit to
include the belief systems of other cultures they are exposed to.
These cultures had herbal medicines, and all of them also had some
kind of entheogen; usually several of them. It’s no surprise the
Mazatecs revere Salvia divinorum and use it in their divination
ceremonies; it is some heavy.
November 28th, 2006 at 2:10 am
Duncan ,
I couldn’t find that word entheogen in the dictionary
, but I assume you mean a substance that brings the
user , a heightened spiritual awareness?
It is true I think that all cultures , primitive and
not so primitive , for that matter , use all kinds of
ways to try to loose/ liberate themselves / into a
higher experience. It is both a very physical and
spiritual matter.
Primitives use herbs and other plants , and music
and dancing and other rituals, cleansing , purging
fasting and sweating, delerium ,and feats of
endurance .
Jesus is supposed to have belonged to an ESSENE sect
, and fasting ,at the very least was used by them to
bring one closeer to God , hence the 40 days and 40
nights in the desert , which shows that he "knew "
what he was doing. THe christian list of saints
includes a long list of hermits and aesthetes, who
were doing all kinds of extreme things to get closer
to God. Their kind of "discipline" is similar in
design to those Asian priestly traditions of doing
extreme things out of a quest to gain control of the
body/mind over matter, (grasshopper!)
In the west maybe our feeble attempts to get closer to
God through "entheogens" have gotten a bad name
because they create dependencies and unbalance both
physical and mental : we use stimulants , excessive
excercise, weird diets , even anorexia, alcohol
synthetic and dangerous man made drugs like
hallucenogens, cultish religion ,(except I do think
that the black churches bliss themselves out in a good
way with dancing and singing , I always feel enthraled
and want to "get down" too ; I’m so happy when I see
it ), partying , dancing /raving / sexual etc .
Actually , in our culture , we should develope better
cleansing rituals of every kind , because we are so
toxic from our horrible standard American diets of
commercial processed chemicalized food, loaded with
toxic pharmaceuticals , bad water supply and toxic air
, and homes filled with chemically treated materials .
But it is a fact that the urge to self liberate ,
cleanse ,gain focus , bliss ,release , is common to
all humanity and is as ancient as humanity it’self .
Liz
November 28th, 2006 at 5:29 pm
rachel,
the only really really safe and legal way to hit the astral
is by using recorded tapes of drumming or dijiridoo and click sticks.
the tapes and instructions are on the web or can be gotten
from the foundation for shamanic studies. the dijiridoo music
will practically drag you there.
among other things, the Old Ones smoked juniper berries.
they’d get so high they’d fall off the log they were sitting on.
not expelling waste was another. it just backs up and… ewww.
the Old Ones were stoners, beyond a doubt.
Dennis
Dennis
WHOOOOOOOA!
I just noticed this - they are calling psilocybe mushrooms "manna".
Where did they get this term of reference from? I never heard it in a
scientific context before.
There is whole theory that the manna in the desert thousands of years
ago was psilocybe mushrooms. So it is fascinating this study uses that
reference.
rachel
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November 28th, 2006 at 11:31 pm
Salvia Divinorum is less toxic than water. The active ingredient is
made of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. A human has taken 250,000 doses
of pure Salvinorin A at once with no ill effect; 770,000 times a
normal dose has been tested on animals and at it didn’t kill them
either.
There’s no detectable euphoria in a Salvia Divinorum encounter; it is
not a recreational substance that gets one high.
Ska Maria Pastora is anti-addictive, so Dennis you and your old hippy
friends might want to use it to help remove those concerns about
poisoning yourself in the pursuit of getting high
November 29th, 2006 at 10:50 am
> I also see it this way. Have felt for decades now that when I walk
> the woods, I am in church. Find peace there. A sense of Presence,
Love
> I can trust. Motherly and personal. -Linda
Most of the shamans don’t regularly go to ‘church’ either, deeply
spiritual and in this case Catholic though they are. I’m with Linda in
that I too feel like I’m in church when I’m out in nature. Being in a
church — the edifice — goes against my grain, but it’s nice to have
a gathering place out of the rain.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:31 am
wow.
the fatal dose of pure D9THC is 30 percent of your gross body weight.
Dennis
what does a quarter of a million doses quantify out too?
cyanide is made of carbon nitrogen and hydrogen, but
i get your point
i wanny try 29.75% of 170lbs
Salvia Divinorum is less toxic than water. The active ingredient is
made of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. A human has taken 250,000 doses
of pure Salvinorin A at once with no ill effect; 770,000 times a
normal dose has been tested on animals and at it didn’t kill them
either.
There’s no detectable euphoria in a Salvia Divinorum encounter; it is
not a recreational substance that gets one high.
Ska Maria Pastora is anti-addictive, so Dennis you and your old hippy
friends might want to use it to help remove those concerns about
poisoning yourself in the pursuit of getting high
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November 30th, 2006 at 1:00 pm
Jesus knew indeed what he was doing; he is said by many theologists
to have been the head of a mushroom cult that used the psychedelic as
the only way to get close to God.
Such is the nature of the evolution of religious belief.
"Eat the manna and you shall have visions within the hour"
November 30th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
Could you please tell me where this is in the OT?
Thank you
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December 1st, 2006 at 4:20 pm
That is nowhere to be found in the Bible, Duncan.
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December 2nd, 2006 at 12:51 am
i believe you are referring to the sacred mushroom and the cross,
by john m allegro.
to my understanding no other scholar would touch it with a stick
and the publisher was so humiliated they withdrew the book.
by the time he wrote it he was deep in schizophrenic paranoia
from which he never recovered.
jesus mushrooms go best with a grain of salt.
Dennis
Jesus knew indeed what he was doing; he is said by many theologists
to have been the head of a mushroom cult that used the psychedelic as
the only way to get close to God.
Such is the nature of the evolution of religious belief.
"Eat the manna and you shall have visions within the hour"
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December 3rd, 2006 at 5:54 am
it doesn’t say that or anything like it.
somebody is mistaken.
although it was made with kaneh bosom (cannibas buds)
which has been deliberately mistranslated as calmus root.
Dennis
Could you please tell me where this is in the OT?
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December 3rd, 2006 at 2:10 pm
You can get manna bread in the frozen bread section
at whole foods. I don’t think it’s a mushroom at all .
December 4th, 2006 at 3:25 am
Oh , yeah I forgot anbout "Drumming". Apparently
drumming (and most kinds of rhythmic pecussive music )
is /has been used for healing purposes . Drumming and
dancing etc probably moves lymph etc, so it would make
sense that music aand dance has always been
therapeutic first rather than an art form that we pay
to go see.
Liz
December 4th, 2006 at 3:03 pm
Check out "Wildman" Steve Brill books on collecting
edible wild plants . I went on this guys tour of wild
CENTRAL Park, NYC last spring . He is very
knowledgeable about the nutrition /propeties of weeds
, trees etc and knows which ones are edible and which
are poisonous . Sometimes it’s only a matter of how
you prepare themor what part you use .
His books include "Identifying and HArvesting Edible
and Medicinal Plants" , (in wild and not so wild
places)1994, Also "The wild Vegetarian Cookbook" 2002.
He is an amazing character . On the park tour he has
you eating everything edible to experience it like
edible Sumac tree berries , which are red/ orange ,
(be careful some sumac are poisonous),and very high in
vitamin c, violet leaves (infact his baby daughter ,
who was there is called violet), etc He does tours for
the public and schools . Kids love him .
On another sadder note I read a book called "Into
the Wild" by Jon Krakauer , a true story about a young
man who walked into Alaskan wilderness , in an attempt
to live of the land etc find himself/ escape
hypocritical society . He knew a bit about plants but
not enough . This book teaches you to respect nature
, - the guy took on too much alone .Tragically he
died , they are not sure whether from starvation , or
because he weakened himself first by accident by
eating a poisonous plant thet ressembled an edible one
.
Some plants are good in the spring but indigestible
later . Sometimes the root or seeds /or leaves is
good , but not the rest or visa versa .
According to Brill even Indians could have accidents
with plants . But they generally know poisonous
plants.
Duncan are you Indian ?
December 5th, 2006 at 4:38 am
> i believe you are referring to the sacred mushroom and the cross,
> by john m allegro.
I’ve never heard of Allegro; I got the information form a web search
on other ethnobotanists then happened on this booklet, which says
only, "John Allegro’s translations of The Dead Sea Scrolls later added
more weight to this idea."
December 5th, 2006 at 9:06 am
I don’t doubt that Jesus knew the properties of foods
and plants, as do all peoples still conected with
nature, in theri daily life and he did refer to
nature a lot in his sermons . The wheat grass
enthusiasts think that there are texts about Jesus
that never made it into the standard Bible because
they were not "appropriate ", which include him
refering to the wonders of grass also. (theres nothing
wrong with that either because the edible grasses used
by Ann Wigmore type retreats/ healing are loaded with
probiotics / chlorophyl /antioxidents 92 trace
mineral etc etc etc ).
Anyway I think the hallucenogenic mushroom and Jesus
theory might be an attempt to make that activity more
respectable , but I don’t know for sure . However , do
mushrooms grow easily in desert like environments?
I know Biblical land swere probably more fertile in
JCs time .
Liz
December 5th, 2006 at 9:30 pm
john allegro didn’t translate the dead sea scrolls, duncan. it was a group
effort
with each scholar working only on the scraps he was apportioned.
it was a private and very Katholic autocracy with portions handed down and
bequeathed like heirlooms to favoured students and associates.
there are horrifying pictures of the scrolls and pieces of scrolls laying on
tables
in full sunlight with people smoking tobacco over them. they have all
been publilshed and are boring as hell. the commentaries, however, are
fascinating.
if you tear up a book, throw most of it away, and partially burn what’s left
you get an idea of what the scrolls are like. most of the writing is so small
as to be nearly illegible." biblical archeology review " has, or had, a two
volume set of the
complete hunnington library photographs for sale. it’s $200.
sometimes they put them on special for $50.
regards,
Dennis
I’ve never heard of Allegro; I got the information form a web search
on other ethnobotanists then happened on this booklet, which says
only, "John Allegro’s translations of The Dead Sea Scrolls later added
more weight to this idea."
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December 6th, 2006 at 3:48 pm
i think if they downed shrooms for 40 years they could have teleported to the
promised land ;-D
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December 7th, 2006 at 3:25 am
Yes, its true that spiritual healing plays a big part
in physical healing , but food by itself also plays a
huge part in our well being . This is why we have
always needed food that is cleansing , building and
regenerating instead of food which does the reverse .
We are what we eat , and I believe that there are no
bad people , nor any dumb people, for that matter ,
just bad foods. I.e nutritionally poor foods, inflame
,deplete, and clog our systems , and if eaten enough
and addictively , cause us physical and mental
decline, increased hyperactivity , depression ,
irritability , impulsiveness and rigidity and anxiety
, self delusion and grandiosity . Once in a less than
optimum mental condition(because these bad foods also
reduce seratonin), we then fall prey to confusion,
lack of focus, indifference etc . In that state it’s
hard to begin steadily replacing bad foods with
regenerative foods.
I finally totally gave up gluten and milk products a
couple of weeks ago . In combination with eating much
more vegetables, juicing and taking some "Sunrider"
foods which also build seratonin production , I have
already noticed a huge difference in my energy and
sense of wellbeing .
Liz
December 7th, 2006 at 5:54 am
I think so too.
And theres a good point here too, in that humans
(like all living things) can only exist where they can
get energy from food to live long enough to get more
energy from food in order to live til the next day
and procreate , and that needs energy from food to
support the next generation. If we are always on
hallucenogens then how are we going to do all that
subsistence work of looking for appropriate food?
There has to be a balance . We live in bodies that
have to be nourished . If we don’t get enough
nourishment we starve and go insane, end of story .
Herbs ,entheogens , and Hoodia as used by tribesmen
are accessories to get us by / keep us going on our
long struggle for survival . Liz
December 7th, 2006 at 8:22 pm
how do you account for people like the guy nasa is studying who hasn’t eaten for
years? and he’s not unique or a saint of some sort either.
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December 8th, 2006 at 10:15 am
if you research monatomic gold you’ll be disappointed.
he eventually balbbles of into what the egyptians believed about stomach
acid, of all the weird things. then he makes it clear you only get to buy some
after you cough up who and where you are, how much money you have,
how much you can get in cash, and Absolutely No Gaurentee On Anything.
except his getting your hard earned bongo-bux.
Dennis
>>> tall bushy plant , low
>
hmm? tall and low at the same time? what is that site, exaclty lol
>Also Exodus 16.35 etc- the hebrews ate it for 40 years during their trip
through the wilderness.
>
>
yuparoo. It was said to elevate consciousness as well as maintain the
body. The more one ate the higher their consciousness went.
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December 8th, 2006 at 7:07 pm
> i think if they downed shrooms for 40 years they could have
teleported to the promised land ;-D
> Dennis
Hehe, if they downed shrooms for three weeks it might have seemed
like 40 years.
Our region has the most potent psilocybe shrooms but they’re not
particularly popular. Perhaps they’re too hard on you, or people have
no time for it, or perhaps the element of shamanic healing,
divination and the exploration the nature of consciousness and
reality, isn’t for everyone.
I think the charm of the Salvia, and its rising popularity, can be
atributed to it being easy on the body, it’s over quickly, and unlike
shrooms and practically all other entheogens we know of, yerba Maria
Pastora shows you things that seem absolutely real even in broad
daylight with your eyes open.
Sounds like fun on the surface of it, but nobody can say it’s what
one would think of as recreational, unlike shrooms.
December 9th, 2006 at 1:38 pm
Our equivalent today might be binaural beat and singing in a karaoke
bar. I do both. All three if you count the computer’s EMR undoing all
that good
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December 10th, 2006 at 1:00 pm
they sell the rhodium/platnium/osmium crapola i think.
with the same ironclad no gaurentee at all gaurentee, and a lot of
unqauntifiable
new agey sounding pseudobenifits.
it should sell in the Weekly World News.
Dennis
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December 10th, 2006 at 5:51 pm
david icke is a disgusting piece of racist sh*t i wouldnt use for toilet paper.
look at the "white pride world wide" website. his name’s all over it.
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December 11th, 2006 at 6:13 am
i Swear To God, i want some of what you’re smokin’ gal.
my stuff smells like skunk butt and it doesn’t even come close to yours.
Dennis
As long as we are on the topic, i got a big question about this stuff.
I’ll admit having smoked that hemp product on occassion - and it was no
where even remotely recreational. It takes me right into the centre of
cosmic realities, my soul and karma. I see all my faults, past lives,
issues in an energetic form. I am thrown head on into the darkest of my
own stuff - and parallel universes, multiple time lines, other life
forms. It is only the euphoria that makes it tolerable. In that state
I can work through a lot of my own issues very quickly, and know how
that affects the universe. Time stops existing and every second is
eternity, so conversation or any external focus is impossible. And of
course all kinds of cosmic insights that i retain afterwards. Its
purpose is to heal the self on the deepest level.
I take it this is not a typical reaction, cuz there is no way this could
be considered recreational. And if this is how the ‘weakest’ affects
me, I can’t begin to imagine what these stronger herbs do. This stuff
is definelty not a game.
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December 11th, 2006 at 9:09 pm
Haven’t heard of him . Anythings possible I suppose ,
but then if it’s possible he must be consciously
practising it , unless his body doesn’t have any
organs , or he has somehow caused them to be in
hibernation, but what would the point of that be
anyway? DOes he move ? WHat does he do?
Someone said , we have no choice about being born ,
or dying , but how we live we choose.
December 12th, 2006 at 4:54 am
he’s an engineer in india.
he’s lived for over 8 years on sunlight and water with a little juice mixed in
occasionally. he moves. he goes gto work and back and he traveled here
for nasa to study.
i’ll be darned if i can see how he does it.
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December 12th, 2006 at 6:51 pm
Well it is said that we eat way too much , and this
is inefficient . It could be that some people in the
far east where real food is respected to begin with
would understand how to get organs functioning
efficiently on a minimal diet. If he drinks juice
maybe it is some sort of grass or herb juice , I doubt
that it’s sunny d . Maybe if you get your self in some
sort of ayurvedic top-functioning shape and all your
sytems are clean , you can, with sunlight and water ,
regenerate all your cells directly just through sun
and water , like you are a piece of algae .
I have heard that athletes and marathoners have
trained and run on wheat grass juice only . Since it
is a complete food , it not only sustains them it
gives them increased strentgh and endurance .Same
with cancer patients who go on juice diets to heal
themselves . You may lose weight , but your strength
increases beyong what a "normal" diet would ever give
you.
Because we are so far "gone " in the west , and we
assume we need a certain amount of "food", whereas the
food we eat is not even food to begin with , and
also addictive , we cannot understand how someone
doesn’t "need " food.
But if we stopped eating the food which does nothing
for us we also could probably do what this guy is
doing if we wanted . You just have to go through
various transitions , and the body would adapt to it’s
optimum potential.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:17 pm
> All sources were taken from the Zohar: The Book of Splendor, writen 2000
> years ago as a mystical commentary/explanation of the Old Testament.
oh, a commentary, and a mystical one at that. Well as you know, anyone can
write a commentary and add or detract anything from the Bible as they please.
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December 15th, 2006 at 12:25 am
And that again is nowhere in the Bible. Adam lived in the Garden of Eden,
where he ate fruit from all the trees except one - for a while.
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December 15th, 2006 at 6:37 pm
Actually isn’t the Zohar pretty ,( extremely )old ?
And how many versions , translations and commentaries
do you think the BiBle we know, went through , anyway
? All of this stuff developed : it was written , or
chiselled , and copied and translated , and before
that it only existed in oral form - orally passed down
, for centuries before it was commited to
payrus/vellum/ paper or whatever and was added to ,
sometimes destroyed , burried washed up etc etc, and
in some cases stuff was deliberately taken away or
left out , because along the way some self appointed
dignitaries decided not to include it .
December 16th, 2006 at 2:39 am
So what I mean to say is ,since as you say ,anyone
could add or subtract form the Bible , do you actually
know what the ORIGINAL BIBLE Is? No. So you can’t
judge whats in it or not in it as the ORIGINAL.
What you know as the Bible is a collection of
writings packaged together , and the version
Christians have in no way ressembles the Jewish
ORIGINAL either , but had to be artfully connected to
it, for the purpose of proving "fulfillment" . EVen in
the NT stuff is missing that is 2000 years old .
THe BiBle you have in no way resembles a bible of
500 years ago or 1000 years ago etc . So "Original
Bible" is a truly redundant concept.
December 17th, 2006 at 8:35 am
> If it’s not from the original version of the Bible, it is not to be
> believed.
OK, how many times has the Bible been altered, by whom, and why? How
far back would one have to go to start getting at the truth?
The original version of the OT would be Jewish tome, correct? Back
then shamanic healing was quite popular and so I think were
sacrifices. (!)
The New Testament we know for sure has been rewritten a few times to
accomodate the wishes of kings. It too contains references to shamanic
healing (and reincarnation).
Such is the nature of the evolution of religion.
December 17th, 2006 at 5:29 pm
some body who sell something with a no gaurentee gaurentee and only
after you cough up your net worth and available liquid assets doesn’t
raise a red flag with you the size of wisconson?
have i got a real estate deal for YOU.
ocean front property in colorado. reasonable prices from $100,000 up. way up.
cash only. the only gaurentee you get is i gaurentee i’ll be happy to take
your money.
gawd bless the american buying public.
Dennis. but i won’t gaurentee it ;-D
Personally, i love the Weekly World News Remember /Men In Black /when
he says there is more truth in the tabloids than in ther normal news if
you know how to read it right? They are so right on with that comment.
amazing paper! lol except for the 3 pages of ‘personal’ ads….
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December 18th, 2006 at 2:10 am
Yes , and I’m sure that all that editing over the
Ages has left us with a fraction of the worth of the
original writings , because we know that politics ,
censorship,conformity , rigidity , sexism , and
anti-semitism have all played their part in robbing us
of real historical information, context , spiritual
information , and particularly for women too, and
women centered things .
Very likely the tendencies which have repressed this
stuff are also the tendencies which keep us in the
modern equivalent of the middle ages ; serfs to the
corporate powers that be which were once the imperial
powers that were, and before that the feudal powers of
Europe. We are still today deprived of the kind of
wellbeing that is our birthright , if all our
intuition were free to act on it’s own volition
without being interupted and suffocated by all the
conformist , counterintuitive and ridiculous culture
that we are told is supposed to be the great bench
mark of "democracy" .
Liz
December 18th, 2006 at 4:07 pm
i don’t know who is selling some folks their bibles but they are getting
screwed.
no bible, and i mean that with a capital N, has ever mentioned hallucinogenic
substances in any context. ever. it was never carved on anything, and they know
exactly, exactly where it came from and they always have. they threw out the
apocrypha because it depicted their little cash cow as a murdering savage
brat who killed out of sheer caprice. read them.
yes the jews had animal sacrifices, and come the third temple, they will
again.
shamanism, witch doctors and the like were not jewish traditions.
the pre king james bible never once mentions the word witch. never.
it says you should kill a >"poisoner". they didn’t have witches until the
xians invented them as a terror tactic.
lilteral biblical interpetation says if your kids are brats you have the right
to kill them with rocks. or burn your wife if she wears a dress of two threads.
i dare you. the bible was cobbled up over the centuries by rich, powerful
nasty old men who wanted to stay that way. forever. so far so good, for them.
2000 years is a good run for institutionalized pedophelia, murder and wholesale
theft.
dennis (still surling)
> If it’s not from the original version of the Bible, it is not to be
> believed.
OK, how many times has the Bible been altered, by whom, and why? How
far back would one have to go to start getting at the truth?
The original version of the OT would be Jewish tome, correct? Back
then shamanic healing was quite popular and so I think were
sacrifices. (!)
The New Testament we know for sure has been rewritten a few times to
accomodate the wishes of kings. It too contains references to shamanic
healing (and reincarnation).
Such is the nature of the evolution of religion.
Duncan
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December 19th, 2006 at 1:29 am
get it? he who surl’s? surling… surl…y…surly.
Dennis
> If it’s not from the original version of the Bible, it is not to be
> believed.
OK, how many times has the Bible been altered, by whom, and why? How
far back would one have to go to start getting at the truth?
The original version of the OT would be Jewish tome, correct? Back
then shamanic healing was quite popular and so I think were
sacrifices. (!)
The New Testament we know for sure has been rewritten a few times to
accomodate the wishes of kings. It too contains references to shamanic
healing (and reincarnation).
Such is the nature of the evolution of religion.
Duncan
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December 19th, 2006 at 5:28 pm
because it’s fun and informative.
nothing at all. that’s why OT is in the header.
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December 19th, 2006 at 10:07 pm
Don’t know where you get your information from, but that’s totally wrong.
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Wrong, so wrong.
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oh good grief
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December 21st, 2006 at 12:33 pm
i believe someone may have sold you a… channeled… version of the bible,
duncan.
most of your information just has no basis in fact.
Dennis
Wrong, so wrong.
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December 21st, 2006 at 8:58 pm
the second council of nicea was the one where mary got her virginity back in
perputuity. boy did that cause a melee.
the torah is a few smidgen years older.
Dennis
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December 22nd, 2006 at 5:00 pm
i smell legs being pulled.
nobody with a genuine interest in theology or religion
would espouse that kind of silliness.
even the most perfunctory research would prove
otherwise.
Dennis
oh good grief
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December 23rd, 2006 at 1:47 am
watch carefully, cjworld, this is how i block
inconsequential email addresses when the
joke/wilful ingorance gets old.
watch closley now…
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December 23rd, 2006 at 6:50 am
Dennis , you are so angry you need a liver cleanse.
December 23rd, 2006 at 10:23 pm
you are probably right, but this regime is just
so humiliating. <sigh>
much like a kidney stone,
Dennis
this too shall pass
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December 24th, 2006 at 8:39 am
> Even the Bible says no one
> knows the mysteries of God.
>
Everything you all write just shows that you don’t know anything about the
Bible, have not read it or studied it. So this discussion is done as far as I’m
concerned.
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December 25th, 2006 at 12:22 am
How about you guys start a new list - this is SO off topic here and one
has to pay for the time to download and store and check it etc ?
…IRene
Tohvincent wrote:
> Jesus Christ is not on earth but seated at the right Hand of God; however, the
Holy Spirit still accomplishes supernatural things through His servants.
Although there is no unpardonable sin today, we should always keep in mind there
is an unpardonable state-the state of continued unbelief. There is no pardon for
a person who dies in unbelief. Remember, John 3:16
> vincent
December 25th, 2006 at 10:21 pm
Hear! hear! please start a new list - and keep me off of it.
…IRene
Tohvincent wrote:
> Jesus Christ is not on earth but seated at the right Hand of God; however,
the Holy Spirit still accomplishes supernatural things through His servants.
Although there is no unpardonable sin today, we should always keep in mind
there is an unpardonable state-the state of continued unbelief. There is no
pardon for a person who dies in unbelief. Remember, John 3:16
> vincent
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December 29th, 2006 at 1:00 pm
I’ve been thinking about this water and sunlight guy
,(and thanks for bringing him up), and thinking that
his experience makes total sense . It’s not even
miraculous , it’s science and nature .
Heres what I think .
Water , and sunlight are at the beginning of all
nature and our bodies no less than any other life
forms are connected to that .
The first life forms on earth were formed in the
water as it reacted to sunlight which then produced
oxygen which created algae , or at least some kind of
green primal slime . Chlorophyl was the important
product/byproduct , and guess what? our blood closely
ressembles chlorophyll and can be healed by it , and
thats no accident .(Viz wheat grass diets/ Ann Wigmore
etc, Robert Young etc )
Anyway if you are following me, water and sunlight is
the "starter kit for Life", and it’s also "baby food"
for the developemt of all forms of life.
My "theory"is that Somehow the Indian guy through
food discipline , Ie eliminating dysfunctional foods ,
and starting by giving his body only natural foods for
a while , could create a super efficient plant like
function to his body even tho the human body is many
stages away in development from a plant.
If he eliminatd all waste -of- time clogging foods ,
maybe even his skin could become like greenhouse
glass, letting in light and heat ; and
Hydration(aren’t we 70% water anyway? ) , takes care
of healing ,regeneration and energy . This way
eventually he could only need a little green juice
once in a while to provide protein , enzymes, carbs
sugars etc . Ie he has learned that the body needs
only excatly what it needs to function optimally , and
he had eliminated all the rest .
If marathoners can train and run on only wheat grass
juice , and feel great then it is not such a big step
to a water and sunlight diet. And once you feel
great , you would never want to compromise that
feeling again .
Then the appetite thing becomes really appropriate ,
functional and specific as opposed to being about
satisfying cravings, which may be dysfunctional. Out
of this , it follows that the "right" food thing ,
for this Indian ,becomes the way to right living and
spirituality. It’s all one .
And Here is the spiritual part for me .
Personally Whilst I am making a green juice ,
sometimes I have been aware that I am "In the
presence" of Something both Supremely Powerful and
Loving . Preparing juice and drinking it has given
me also joy and peace - the same joy and peace I feel
while taking a walk in the country ,in the woods ,
working in my vegetable patch , handling organic
vegetables, standing near a waterfall , being on the
beach (which incidentally is also sun and water
therapy ). When we are experiencing nature like this
we are connecting to the Life Force , God. The more we
allow ourselves to be drawn to this force , which is
only instinctual for us , the happier, and more
satisfied , and more peaceful , and more aware we are.
The fact that it is an Indian guy who is doing this ,
ie generally someone from an ancient tradition of
Ayurveda , or something related to it , where nature ,
god and man come into harmony , makes total sense
Liz