Comments on: Re: Digest Number 1382 http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/ Some tips for diabetic, recipes and products. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:31:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: John Smith http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11477 John Smith Fri, 01 Sep 2006 08:18:53 +0000 http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11477 Hi , Linda , A lot of what you say is true . ANd I know you are right about the emotional things. The only thing I have an issue with is that time isn't endless, when there is an opportunity to heal . This is a window now as Brock says . And what we put in our bodies, or don't put in our bodies , counts every time whether we like it or not, especially when it's low value nutrition , and takes the place of something thats high value. I think the awareness on this has changed in the last few years at least in some circles , so that being diabetic isn't just about getting the insulin to carb thing right , and getting the Bsugar down . I know you know that because you are growing organic food. You <!--more--> know real food is life, and loving to grow it is "food" and sweetness for the soul too. It's down to this : Are we loving ourselves with food or depriving ourselves ? and "comfort" foods aren't usually the ones which are really "comforting "our bodies .Sometimes the comfort foods are part of an allergy addiction cycle , like milk or gluten . Then often we eat "bad for us" sweets when we are sad , bored or looking for love too. Stress, bad news , and diagnoses of cancer/ diabetes etc makes us want to comfort our selves / drug ourselves and then we reach for junk that just compounds the problem . Like giving children candy when they are crying . We are numbing pain and flooding ourselves with opiates but our bodies , minds and spirits will still be unsatisfied afterwards,and now also our immunity will be lower and we will be looking for another fix after we crash . The "food is medicine " piece (Hypocrates )is important, it's real and it works . Hence If we can combine the idea that we are loving ourselves back to health when we eat foods that cleanse, regenerate and build, our bodies , even if they don't taste like a donut , then thats better than just eating to fix our emotional or chemical or hormonal cravings impulsively without any concrete plan or intention . Real healthy eating is different than just doing something "healthy "because you are told it , too. It doesn't have to be about deprivation,even though of course she doesn't feel it like that . MOst people don't feel it like that . Until they make a connection between food and mood , and food and energy levels , and food and health . That takes a while to be recognized .Under stress we automatically want a sedative . So it's like trying to give someone a healthy meal when the would rather head out to the bar . Carrot /cellery stick or cookie ? Right now she feels like , because of what she has been told , that it "is over", and she's reacting to that by clinging onto the hope that she doesn't have to change anything else . Maybe it's the medical way it is presented a s a rigid situation , "every thing is bad news ", is what makes it so difficult for people to see that nutrition is an option for healing and the light at the end of the tunnel . If you got this way by depriving yourself unintentionally of real food and puting your pancreas under stress, then maybe you can reverse that by giving your pancreas the foods that it needed, intentionally ? It's not at all far fetched , but to make that reversal happen you have to participate in it with intention. And while it is difficult to do , and your body is unfamiliar with the situation , so what ? Think about this . When My Mom had hip replacement surgery , they got her out of bed the next day , and everyday she was expected to do more and go further . They are not going to leave you still just because it hurts and you are scared . It's necessary , because the body needs to move to heal itself . It has to reeducate muscles that are perhaps stiff or atrophied . Patients weep , struggle , and get tired ; small movements, getting in and out of bed is like pushing a car up a hill with a broken leg. If they could pay the nurse to leave them alone they probably would . It might take 30 minutes to make a manoeuver that would take a normal person 5 seconds . Why do people go through it ? Because they are told it will get better , and they have no choice , they are healing , tomorrow or the next day will be easier , they will see results. NUrses and therapists working with these physical issues make demands on the patients which are not optional however painful or hard it is . They push the patient , they encourage , cajole , praise . I think it's the same with nutrition and treating cancer or diabetes or any other condition , especially a condition which has developed at least in part because of deprivation of some kind . Wouldn't it be a whole different world if when you were diagnosed they immediately put you on green juice or raw food and supplements whatever, (whats so cruel about that , hec they burn you, cut you, and poison you with chemo with far less compunction or conscience in hospitals "for your own Good' and they used to give kids cod live oil every day too, which as it urns out prevents inflamation and heart disease). And then how about while you were learning about green food in hospital instead of how to count carbs and give shots , what if they gave you massages , and reiki and taught you how to practice self love , and care , and learn stress relief, instead of serving you rice crispies and pancakes and diet coke , the shit that got you there in the first place , whilst telling you your life has changed forever, and teaching you to stick yourself? I agree I need to take it slowly and give her time , but do I just watch her settle into insulin dependency when there are alternatives that will help her in the long run even tho they are challenging now as Brock said? As Brock said this is a good time to change diet , and ween off insulin . I realize that what you must have gone through was abuse , and I am aware that well meaning adults , who are scared turn into control freaks , but then, conventionally, with things like diabetes everyone is told there are no alternatives WHEN THERE ARE. We had the misfortune to be born into a culture that disrespects real food , and then ignores the fact that food has the answers all along. But there are too many conflicting messages to deal with , and I agree , that is enough to put anyone on overload . AS far as letting go of treats goes -we are all used to sweet treats of one kind or another , but nature also has a lot of natural sweets, and having experimented for over a year since going to nutrition school , (and I was a diet pepsi , donut and coffee person , who loved chocolate and ice cream too), I haven't suffered at all for teaching my taste buds that there are better sources of food. And I think if I hadn't done some juicing last winter, and almost totally cut out gluten , coffeee , a great deal of milk , and excercised ,then I would not myself have survived some of the stresses of recent years, and would probably have some kind of cancer to show for itby now . I n fact I am the age my mother was when she first got breast cancer . But don't worry I am very aware of all the emotional work thats needed . But as a mother I will blame myself for not doing the right thing , if she settles for insulin dependence when there is all this info on the healing power of real food. I will feel like the nurse who decided to not move the patient because they protested too much, and then they just atrophied instead of recovering . Thanks , Liz Hi , Linda ,
A lot of what you say is true . ANd I know you are
right about the emotional things.
The only thing I have an issue with is that time
isn’t endless, when there is an opportunity to heal .
This is a window now as Brock says . And what we put
in our bodies, or don’t put in our bodies , counts
every time whether we like it or not, especially when
it’s low value nutrition , and takes the place of
something thats high value.
I think the awareness on this has changed in the last
few years at least in some circles , so that being
diabetic isn’t just about getting the insulin to carb
thing right , and getting the Bsugar down . I know you
know that because you are growing organic food. You

know real food is life, and loving to grow it is
"food" and sweetness for the soul too.
It’s down to this : Are we loving ourselves with
food or depriving ourselves ? and "comfort" foods
aren’t usually the ones which are really "comforting
"our bodies .Sometimes the comfort foods are part of
an allergy addiction cycle , like milk or gluten .
Then often we eat "bad for us" sweets when we are sad
, bored or looking for love too. Stress, bad news ,
and diagnoses of cancer/ diabetes etc makes us want
to comfort our selves / drug ourselves and then we
reach for junk that just compounds the problem . Like
giving children candy when they are crying . We are
numbing pain and flooding ourselves with opiates but
our bodies , minds and spirits will still be
unsatisfied afterwards,and now also our immunity will
be lower and we will be looking for another fix after
we crash .
The "food is medicine " piece (Hypocrates )is
important, it’s real and it works . Hence If we can
combine the idea that we are loving ourselves back to
health when we eat foods that cleanse, regenerate and
build, our bodies , even if they don’t taste like a
donut , then thats better than just eating to fix our
emotional or chemical or hormonal cravings impulsively
without any concrete plan or intention .
Real healthy eating is different than just doing
something "healthy "because you are told it , too. It
doesn’t have to be about deprivation,even though of
course she doesn’t feel it like that . MOst people
don’t feel it like that . Until they make a connection
between food and mood , and food and energy levels ,
and food and health . That takes a while to be
recognized .Under stress we automatically want a
sedative . So it’s like trying to give someone a
healthy meal when the would rather head out to the bar
. Carrot /cellery stick or cookie ?
Right now she feels like , because of what she has
been told , that it "is over", and she’s reacting to
that by clinging onto the hope that she doesn’t have
to change anything else .
Maybe it’s the medical way it is presented a s a
rigid situation , "every thing is bad news ", is what
makes it so difficult for people to see that nutrition
is an option for healing and the light at the end of
the tunnel . If you got this way by depriving yourself
unintentionally of real food and puting your pancreas
under stress, then maybe you can reverse that by
giving your pancreas the foods that it needed,
intentionally ?
It’s not at all far fetched , but to make that
reversal happen you have to participate in it with
intention. And while it is difficult to do , and your
body is unfamiliar with the situation , so what ?
Think about this . When My Mom had hip replacement
surgery , they got her out of bed the next day , and
everyday she was expected to do more and go further .
They are not going to leave you still just because it
hurts and you are scared . It’s necessary , because
the body needs to move to heal itself . It has to
reeducate muscles that are perhaps stiff or atrophied
. Patients weep , struggle , and get tired ; small
movements, getting in and out of bed is like pushing a
car up a hill with a broken leg. If they could pay
the nurse to leave them alone they probably would . It
might take 30 minutes to make a manoeuver that would
take a normal person 5 seconds . Why do people go
through it ? Because they are told it will get better
, and they have no choice , they are healing ,
tomorrow or the next day will be easier , they will
see results. NUrses and therapists working with these
physical issues make demands on the patients which
are not optional however painful or hard it is . They
push the patient , they encourage , cajole , praise .

I think it’s the same with nutrition and treating
cancer or diabetes or any other condition , especially
a condition which has developed at least in part
because of deprivation of some kind . Wouldn’t it be
a whole different world if when you were diagnosed
they immediately put you on green juice or raw food
and supplements whatever, (whats so cruel about that
, hec they burn you, cut you, and poison you with
chemo with far less compunction or conscience in
hospitals "for your own Good’ and they used to give
kids cod live oil every day too, which as it urns out
prevents inflamation and heart disease). And then how
about while you were learning about green food in
hospital instead of how to count carbs and give
shots , what if they gave you massages , and reiki
and taught you how to practice self love , and care ,
and learn stress relief, instead of serving you rice
crispies and pancakes and diet coke , the shit that
got you there in the first place , whilst telling you
your life has changed forever, and teaching you to
stick yourself?
I agree I need to take it slowly and give her time ,
but do I just watch her settle into insulin dependency
when there are alternatives that will help her in the
long run even tho they are challenging now as Brock
said?
As Brock said this is a good time to change diet , and
ween off insulin .
I realize that what you must have gone through was
abuse , and I am aware that well meaning adults , who
are scared turn into control freaks , but then,
conventionally, with things like diabetes everyone is
told there are no alternatives WHEN THERE ARE. We had
the misfortune to be born into a culture that
disrespects real food , and then ignores the fact that
food has the answers all along.
But there are too many conflicting messages to deal
with , and I agree , that is enough to put anyone on
overload .
AS far as letting go of treats goes -we are all used
to sweet treats of one kind or another , but nature
also has a lot of natural sweets, and having
experimented for over a year since going to nutrition
school , (and I was a diet pepsi , donut and coffee
person , who loved chocolate and ice cream too), I
haven’t suffered at all for teaching my taste buds
that there are better sources of food. And I think if
I hadn’t done some juicing last winter, and almost
totally cut out gluten , coffeee , a great deal of
milk , and excercised ,then I would not myself have
survived some of the stresses of recent years, and
would probably have some kind of cancer to show for
itby now . I n fact I am the age my mother was when
she first got breast cancer .
But don’t worry I am very aware of all the emotional
work thats needed . But as a mother I will blame
myself for not doing the right thing , if she settles
for insulin dependence when there is all this info on
the healing power of real food. I will feel like the
nurse who decided to not move the patient because they
protested too much, and then they just atrophied
instead of recovering .
Thanks , Liz

]]> By: John Smith http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11476 John Smith Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:54:16 +0000 http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11476 Thank you so much for this . I needed to hear all this , from another person with diabetes (I don't know if you are a guy or a girl- I'm sorry , I'm unfamiliar with the name ), and so does my family . It is hard to know how to get her started. How to get them on board , but we are all here I feel on the edge of this vortex, with her in the middle. The emotional piece I know is so important . I had begun taking actions to "cleanse" myself, with a reiki/reflexology session last week , which released a lot of emotion for me . I hade been wound up since the diagnosis. I am having a house cleansing shaman come to the house tomorrow. For her the only thing I have been able to do was show her a foot reflexology chart , and establish how <!--more--> ticklish she was , which was at least fun . You are so right about her pent up emotions . There has been a lot of upheaval in our family over the years including divorce , and she received the least attention as the oldest and youngest were way more openly demanding . This finally is her protest , I know it . The others had their turn . What may have happened in the last few months to trigger it I don't know . I know she seemed angry and cranky at times but wasn't as explosive as her big sister , and continued to function well at school unlike her brother. I do feel close to her, like we are aware of each other on some level without speaking , but we don't talk that much . I am physically affectionate with her and the others . I believe it is very possible for us to get down to what it is , and I want nothing else than for to have wahtever catharsis she needs. The pressure is on for her to decide some things for herself too. And for the entire family to commit to a plan of action . The news that the thyroid is in an autoimmune mode , and discussions about foot care , plus noticing her weight gain already , since the meetings on Monday, and me telling her the only way to go is to avoid processed food , all this is reaching critical mass I know. I know she can't check out from deciding on health , but the pressures are overwhelming . I had woken up this morning and thought , I must make my hose mainly raw and get rid of everything els e, and if she leaves , so be it If the family won't back me so be it . If on the other hand she stays I will do it with her . I am already now gluten free, and had been trying to get them in on that too. Vegetables are woderful once you get into them , and lift your spirits as well , except that I know when one is cleansing one can experience cleansing reactions , both emotional and physical . Well, please pray for us / or hold us in your thoughts and thankyou again for writing what you wrote . Liz Thank you so much for this . I needed to hear all
this , from another person with diabetes (I don’t know
if you are a guy or a girl- I’m sorry , I’m unfamiliar
with the name ), and so does my family . It is hard to
know how to get her started. How to get them on board
, but we are all here I feel on the edge of this
vortex, with her in the middle.
The emotional piece I know is so important . I had
begun taking actions to "cleanse" myself, with a
reiki/reflexology session last week , which released a
lot of emotion for me . I hade been wound up since the
diagnosis. I am having a house cleansing shaman come
to the house tomorrow.
For her the only thing I have been able to do was
show her a foot reflexology chart , and establish how

ticklish she was , which was at least fun . You are so
right about her pent up emotions . There has been a
lot of upheaval in our family over the years including
divorce , and she received the least attention as the
oldest and youngest were way more openly demanding .
This finally is her protest , I know it . The others
had their turn . What may have happened in the last
few months to trigger it I don’t know .
I know she seemed angry and cranky at times but
wasn’t as explosive as her big sister , and continued
to function well at school unlike her brother. I do
feel close to her, like we are aware of each other on
some level without speaking , but we don’t talk that
much . I am physically affectionate with her and the
others . I believe it is very possible for us to get
down to what it is , and I want nothing else than for
to have wahtever catharsis she needs.
The pressure is on for her to decide some things for
herself too. And for the entire family to commit to a
plan of action . The news that the thyroid is in an
autoimmune mode , and discussions about foot care ,
plus noticing her weight gain already , since the
meetings on Monday, and me telling her the only way to
go is to avoid processed food , all this is reaching
critical mass I know. I know she can’t check out from
deciding on health , but the pressures are
overwhelming .
I had woken up this morning and thought , I must make
my hose mainly raw and get rid of everything els e,
and if she leaves , so be it If the family won’t back
me so be it . If on the other hand she stays I will do
it with her . I am already now gluten free, and had
been trying to get them in on that too. Vegetables are
woderful once you get into them , and lift your
spirits as well , except that I know when one is
cleansing one can experience cleansing reactions ,
both emotional and physical .
Well, please pray for us / or hold us in your
thoughts and thankyou again for writing what you wrote
. Liz

]]> By: John Smith http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11475 John Smith Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:12:12 +0000 http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11475 Liz, Thanks for all the great info. I am checking out the site. Malabsorption is really, really important I believe. Big factors to create bad absorption: antibiotics, antibiotics placed directly into dairy product vats, chlorine and floride added to water supplies, meat from animals given antibiotics, diet which creates imbalanced intestinal flora, food allergy, chemicals put into processed foods, pesticides on produce, After a while you begin to see why the digestion gets messed up, and why the vegan diets advocated are so beneficial. Less junk for the body to overcome and foods that directly feed the intestinal flora which are so key to our digestion of nutrients. <!--more--> Brock Liz,

Thanks for all the great info. I am checking out the site.
Malabsorption is really, really important I believe.

Big factors to create bad absorption: antibiotics, antibiotics placed
directly into dairy product vats, chlorine and floride added to water
supplies, meat from animals given antibiotics, diet which creates
imbalanced intestinal flora, food allergy, chemicals put into
processed foods, pesticides on produce,

After a while you begin to see why the digestion gets messed up, and
why the vegan diets advocated are so beneficial. Less junk for the
body to overcome and foods that directly feed the intestinal flora
which are so key to our digestion of nutrients.

Brock

]]> By: John Smith http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11474 John Smith Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:27:37 +0000 http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11474 Liz, The whole family went 100% raw vegan and they all reversed their health problems. The son was no longer diabetic after several weeks. Actually the entire family cured themselves of all their ailments from asthma, heart problems, and obesity. Unfortunately the book the mother wrote does not give too many details. They have several food prep books out as well that are worth looking at. A warning. All raw is tough at first. You do feel great quickly however. Getting enough greens and fats is key because of the decrease in protein and fat from the standard american diet. The best low sugar, raw foods prep book I've seen is by Dr Gabriel Cousins, "Rainbow Green Live Food Cuisine." Interestingly enough, Cousins is working with Native Americans near his offices to reverse diabetes <!--more--> that is found in very high percentages in the native american population. Your daughter should not wait. Once she is on insulin for too long, I believe it gets much harder to reverse the diabetes. She will not like the long-term pain in the neck that taking insulin will be. Some hard work now will pay big dividends in the future. It is worth mentioning that the initial use of insulin will stabilize the body and often allows the diabetic to start producing more insulin. (honeymoon effect) You might consider using insulin for a brief period to stabilize her and change the diet. Some Natural healers believe that the body is smart and does what is best for it. Accepting this paradigm, I have often asked myself: what is the body trying to do with the elevated sugar, the ketoacidosis and the weight loss? Beyond that, we have to figure out how to help the body continue on it's path to re-balance itself.(Young and Cousins offer well supported theories as to why this happens) Also worth looking at is "Regenerative Diet" by Dr John Christopher. He also advocates no flour products, vegan, low heat food prep. He has an herbal prep that he found reversed Diabetes, but it worked best and fastest with the Regenerative Diet. (He also called this the "Mucousless Diet.) Most important might be dealing with any emotional trauma/issues your daughter might be experiencing or may have recently experienced. There seems to be strong correlation with this and the blood sugar getting thrown off. Emotions effect the digestion, the acid-alkaline balance, etc. It can be the biggest of the multiple dimensions that bring on diabetes. Chinese medicine lists about a dozen factors that can bring on diabetes. I was diagnosed at the age of 19 with type 1 diabetes and I was experiencing, or had experienced almost all of the dozen factors that they mention. Something like the perfect storm. Irene has shared some phenomenal emotional releases that she attributes to homeopathic treatment. Massage also has emotional releasing effects. Yoga and meditation have similar release effects. Liver cleansing does a number on the emotions as well. As a 16 year old, there are so many emotional things going on, that often we overlook what is there. I would not be surprised if your daughters stress level was high, but she does not really ackowledge it. All the best, Brock Liz,

The whole family went 100% raw vegan and they all reversed their
health problems. The son was no longer diabetic after several weeks.
Actually the entire family cured themselves of all their ailments
from asthma, heart problems, and obesity. Unfortunately the book the
mother wrote does not give too many details. They have several food
prep books out as well that are worth looking at.

A warning. All raw is tough at first. You do feel great quickly
however. Getting enough greens and fats is key because of the
decrease in protein and fat from the standard american diet. The best
low sugar, raw foods prep book I’ve seen is by Dr Gabriel Cousins,
"Rainbow Green Live Food Cuisine." Interestingly enough, Cousins is
working with Native Americans near his offices to reverse diabetes

that is found in very high percentages in the native american population.

Your daughter should not wait. Once she is on insulin for too long, I
believe it gets much harder to reverse the diabetes. She will not
like the long-term pain in the neck that taking insulin will be. Some
hard work now will pay big dividends in the future. It is worth
mentioning that the initial use of insulin will stabilize the body and
often allows the diabetic to start producing more insulin. (honeymoon
effect) You might consider using insulin for a brief period to
stabilize her and change the diet.

Some Natural healers believe that the body is smart and does what is
best for it. Accepting this paradigm, I have often asked myself:
what is the body trying to do with the elevated sugar, the
ketoacidosis and the weight loss? Beyond that, we have to figure out
how to help the body continue on it’s path to re-balance itself.(Young
and Cousins offer well supported theories as to why this happens)

Also worth looking at is "Regenerative Diet" by Dr John Christopher.
He also advocates no flour products, vegan, low heat food prep. He
has an herbal prep that he found reversed Diabetes, but it worked best
and fastest with the Regenerative Diet. (He also called this the
"Mucousless Diet.)

Most important might be dealing with any emotional trauma/issues your
daughter might be experiencing or may have recently experienced.
There seems to be strong correlation with this and the blood sugar
getting thrown off. Emotions effect the digestion, the acid-alkaline
balance, etc. It can be the biggest of the multiple dimensions that
bring on diabetes. Chinese medicine lists about a dozen factors that
can bring on diabetes. I was diagnosed at the age of 19 with type 1
diabetes and I was experiencing, or had experienced almost all of the
dozen factors that they mention. Something like the perfect storm.

Irene has shared some phenomenal emotional releases that she
attributes to homeopathic treatment. Massage also has emotional
releasing effects. Yoga and meditation have similar release effects.
Liver cleansing does a number on the emotions as well. As a 16 year
old, there are so many emotional things going on, that often we
overlook what is there. I would not be surprised if your daughters
stress level was high, but she does not really ackowledge it.

All the best,

Brock

]]> By: John Smith http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11473 John Smith Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:24:05 +0000 http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11473 Dr. Young has a second book out "The ph miracle for Diabetes" . I read his first "the Ph miracle " which dealt alot with cancer and how to reverse it , and it made total sense to me . (For e. g he says that cancer can't exist when you get your ph higher than 8 , for this also see Ed Mc Cabe 's book "Flood your body with Oxygen"). My daughter was just diagnosed type 1 . She 's 16 . I don't intend to let her become insulin dependant without a fight , even if I have to fight subtely with her . Hospitals ,doctors and the health industry generally creates helplessness and passivity around fighting for your health and life. When we spend all our time listening to indifferent officials we end up resonnating with their lack of support , information <!--more--> and passion. When we are overwhelmed and uninformed we understandably fall into the trap of handing over our power to doctors . But there is no possiblity for improvement when you do that , only the possiblity of living with the dubious job of maintaining your own ill health. Fortunately , I come to this situation better armed than most , because I attended a cutting edge nutrition school recently ,(Institute for Integrative Nutrition in NYC) and already knew something about how gluten , milk , processed , and dead foods, nutritionally poor foods , which also clog and congest and act like foreign invaders, generally play a part in the demise of pancreatic health as well as general health . And despite the fact that I knew the medical establishment would be discouraging , nothing could have prepared me for how non proactive , contradictory , and downright erroneus it actually is . The diabetic Association for eg which is behind the hospital dietitians which my daughter saw on Monday , actually promotes diet drinks . I guess they are paid by Monsanto or something . Artificial Sweeteners have tons of class action suits against them going back years. They are banned in some countries. They are associated with depleting chromium , creating carb cravings , Parkinsons(Micheal J Fox is a Pepsi spokesman and a diet Pepsi addict- how sick is that?!) , early alzheimers , kidney problems and on . If it was me in this situation , and not my somewhat defiant daughter(the diagnosis was 3 weeks ago so there is still hope for those beta cells) , I would be green juicing , wheat grass juicing (I already do)eating mainly raw stuff, eliminating gluten and milk , (Which I have already done for myself), learning about superfoods/ algaes etc . I feel that with diabetes as with other illness people are unaware of the truth that the body does regenerate and come back to life with even some assistance . People have reversed all kinds of conditions with dietary changes even at the eleventh hour . This is what I want for my child , and I want her to do it for herself . Why should she accept anything less than full health . The higher you aim , and ignore conventional medicine , and only think and act positively , the more likely you are to optimize your health . Anyway I agree, I don't care where the brilliant info comes from , and there is always more than one intuitive , and passionate groundbreaking ,health practitioner/writer out there . I will take whatever intelligent info I can find. Liz Dr. Young has a second book out "The ph miracle for
Diabetes" . I read his first "the Ph miracle " which
dealt alot with cancer and how to reverse it , and it
made total sense to me . (For e. g he says that
cancer can’t exist when you get your ph higher than 8
, for this also see Ed Mc Cabe ’s book "Flood your
body with Oxygen").
My daughter was just diagnosed type 1 . She ’s 16 . I
don’t intend to let her become insulin dependant
without a fight , even if I have to fight subtely
with her . Hospitals ,doctors and the health industry
generally creates helplessness and passivity around
fighting for your health and life. When we spend all
our time listening to indifferent officials we end up
resonnating with their lack of support , information

and passion. When we are overwhelmed and uninformed
we understandably fall into the trap of handing over
our power to doctors . But there is no possiblity for
improvement when you do that , only the possiblity of
living with the dubious job of maintaining your own
ill health.
Fortunately , I come to this situation better armed
than most , because I attended a cutting edge
nutrition school recently ,(Institute for Integrative
Nutrition in NYC) and already knew something about how
gluten , milk , processed , and dead foods,
nutritionally poor foods , which also clog and congest
and act like foreign invaders, generally play a part
in the demise of pancreatic health as well as general
health . And despite the fact that I knew the medical
establishment would be discouraging , nothing could
have prepared me for how non proactive , contradictory
, and downright erroneus it actually is .
The diabetic Association for eg which is behind the
hospital dietitians which my daughter saw on Monday ,
actually promotes diet drinks . I guess they are paid
by Monsanto or something . Artificial Sweeteners have
tons of class action suits against them going back
years. They are banned in some countries. They are
associated with depleting chromium , creating carb
cravings , Parkinsons(Micheal J Fox is a Pepsi
spokesman and a diet Pepsi addict- how sick is that?!)
, early alzheimers , kidney problems and on .
If it was me in this situation , and not my somewhat
defiant daughter(the diagnosis was 3 weeks ago so
there is still hope for those beta cells) , I would be
green juicing , wheat grass juicing (I already
do)eating mainly raw stuff, eliminating gluten and
milk , (Which I have already done for myself),
learning about superfoods/ algaes etc .
I feel that with diabetes as with other illness
people are unaware of the truth that the body does
regenerate and come back to life with even some
assistance . People have reversed all kinds of
conditions with dietary changes even at the eleventh
hour . This is what I want for my child , and I want
her to do it for herself . Why should she accept
anything less than full health . The higher you aim ,
and ignore conventional medicine , and only think and
act positively , the more likely you are to optimize
your health .
Anyway I agree, I don’t care where the brilliant info
comes from , and there is always more than one
intuitive , and passionate groundbreaking ,health
practitioner/writer out there . I will take whatever
intelligent info I can find.
Liz

]]> By: John Smith http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11472 John Smith Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:03:58 +0000 http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11472 Brock , I read Youngs book "the Ph Miracle " about a year ago . I was very impressed . Since I already "knew" health or lack of it had to be to do with food. I was attending a holistic health school at the time called Institute for Integrative Nutrition , in NYC. It was then I made the grains and autoimmune connection while reading a book not actually on our list ,"Going Against the Grain" By Melissa Diane Smith . THis book would answer a lot of your questions . The Celiac/ diabetes connection is held up by conventional medicine even .(Except they won't or can't explain what it is while you are in the hospital). THey tested my 16 year old for celiac disease and thyroid problems , when she was diagnosed <!--more--> 3 weeks ago as type 1. She came back negative for celiac (which if I am right is really serious atrophy of the stomach villi , and the recommendation is eliminating gluten!), but positive for autoimmune activity in the thyroid. I already knew that my kids have a celiac gene and a gluten intolerance gene as well as gluten and milk intolerance because I had them tested last year , with cheek swabs , and with stool samples which is the latest and most efficient form of testing for intolerances available . The lab I used I read about in the book above . It is the brain child of one Dr. Kenneth Fine, a gastro enterologist , who got the idea of stool testing in Britain . Conventional medicine relies on blood tests and then biopsies when the tests come back negative for antibodies. Taking stool samples gives an accurate reading and then no biopsy is needed. In addition to antibodies the tests also picked up on malabsorption , which was indicated by the presence of fecal fat . If you go to the site for the lab at www.enterolab.com, there is masses of info on gluten , wheat , malabsorption , autoimmune etc etc. It is Fines idea that intolerance to gluten is more generally widespread than believd and that many people are unaware . Why is the human race intolerant of most grain - because milled grain came very late into our evolution . It also accounts apparently for the adaptations in blood types. Type "O" was the original blood group and was connected to the hunter gatherer lfe style . The other types came later with agriculture and animal husbandry . I have also read , and I don't know if this can be substantiated , that many auto immune diseases did not exist before "the dawn of civilization' which was connected to agriculture , And it would make total sense that foods taken from the ground , from trees and wild plants and animals with all their variety , in season etc would support the human body and it's evolution and maintenance better than a few milled and processed foods , more and more devoid of life, enzymes , minerals , fiber etc etc . Anyway got to go feed my son . Check out the lab LIz Brock ,
I read Youngs book "the Ph Miracle " about a year
ago . I was very impressed . Since I already "knew"
health or lack of it had to be to do with food.
I was attending a holistic health school at the time
called Institute for Integrative Nutrition , in NYC.
It was then I made the grains and autoimmune
connection while reading a book not actually on our
list ,"Going Against the Grain" By Melissa Diane Smith
. THis book would answer a lot of your questions .
The Celiac/ diabetes connection is held up by
conventional medicine even .(Except they won’t or
can’t explain what it is while you are in the
hospital). THey tested my 16 year old for celiac
disease and thyroid problems , when she was diagnosed

3 weeks ago as type 1. She came back negative for
celiac (which if I am right is really serious atrophy
of the stomach villi , and the recommendation is
eliminating gluten!), but positive for autoimmune
activity in the thyroid.
I already knew that my kids have a celiac gene and a
gluten intolerance gene as well as gluten and milk
intolerance because I had them tested last year ,
with cheek swabs , and with stool samples which is
the latest and most efficient form of testing for
intolerances available . The lab I used I read about
in the book above . It is the brain child of one
Dr. Kenneth Fine, a gastro enterologist , who got the
idea of stool testing in Britain . Conventional
medicine relies on blood tests and then biopsies when
the tests come back negative for antibodies. Taking
stool samples gives an accurate reading and then no
biopsy is needed. In addition to antibodies the tests
also picked up on malabsorption , which was indicated
by the presence of fecal fat .
If you go to the site for the lab at
www.enterolab.com, there is masses of info on gluten ,
wheat , malabsorption , autoimmune etc etc. It is
Fines idea that intolerance to gluten is more
generally widespread than believd and that many people
are unaware .
Why is the human race intolerant of most grain -
because milled grain came very late into our evolution
. It also accounts apparently for the adaptations in
blood types. Type "O" was the original blood group and
was connected to the hunter gatherer lfe style . The
other types came later with agriculture and animal
husbandry . I have also read , and I don’t know if
this can be substantiated , that many auto immune
diseases did not exist before "the dawn of
civilization’ which was connected to agriculture ,
And it would make total sense that foods taken from
the ground , from trees and wild plants and animals
with all their variety , in season etc would support
the human body and it’s evolution and maintenance
better than a few milled and processed foods , more
and more devoid of life, enzymes , minerals , fiber
etc etc .
Anyway got to go feed my son .
Check out the lab
LIz

]]> By: John Smith http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11471 John Smith Tue, 29 Aug 2006 02:59:05 +0000 http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11471 Liz, I forgot to mention that I was told 12 years ago: "eliminate your food allergies for 1 year and your diabetes will be gone." This was the same guy who recommended I stop eating all dairy and all wheat. (he also recommended enzymes and probiotics) Dr Christopher recommends the elimination of all processed grains. About that time I met with a world-class immunologist and we talked about dairy products and diabetes. He related there was new (at that time) evidence that a dairy allergy can create an immune response which not only reacts to dairy products but also to the pancreas beta cells. I have read several articles about this to date. He also said, theoretically, if you remove the offending substance for 90 days, it appears that the body stops the allergic reaction to the <!--more--> substance. (the antigen creation) Once this occurs, theoretically, the body simply has to rejuvenate the beta cells because the attacking entity would be gone. What is the relationship to celiac disease and diabetes? I have not found this yet. Can you also talk more about malabsorption and gluten? There is a book called Dr Braly's Food Allergy Revolution, and he does go into a elimination diet for diabetes I recall. (he does an elimination diet for most all conditions) Some of the substances that I have found that are supposed to create a protective effect of beta cells are: Niacinamide, ephedra, gymnema sylvestre, black cumin seeds, bitter melon, cedar berries, neem, guduchi, amla, and a host of other bitter indian herbs. (interesting bitter herbs to counteract high sugar.) Brock Liz,

I forgot to mention that I was told 12 years ago: "eliminate your food
allergies for 1 year and your diabetes will be gone." This was the
same guy who recommended I stop eating all dairy and all wheat. (he
also recommended enzymes and probiotics) Dr Christopher recommends
the elimination of all processed grains.

About that time I met with a world-class immunologist and we talked
about dairy products and diabetes. He related there was new (at that
time) evidence that a dairy allergy can create an immune response
which not only reacts to dairy products but also to the pancreas beta
cells. I have read several articles about this to date. He also
said, theoretically, if you remove the offending substance for 90
days, it appears that the body stops the allergic reaction to the

substance. (the antigen creation) Once this occurs, theoretically,
the body simply has to rejuvenate the beta cells because the attacking
entity would be gone.

What is the relationship to celiac disease and diabetes? I have not
found this yet. Can you also talk more about malabsorption and gluten?

There is a book called Dr Braly’s Food Allergy Revolution, and he does
go into a elimination diet for diabetes I recall. (he does an
elimination diet for most all conditions)

Some of the substances that I have found that are supposed to create a
protective effect of beta cells are: Niacinamide, ephedra, gymnema
sylvestre, black cumin seeds, bitter melon, cedar berries, neem,
guduchi, amla, and a host of other bitter indian herbs. (interesting
bitter herbs to counteract high sugar.)

Brock

]]> By: John Smith http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11470 John Smith Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:04:48 +0000 http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11470 Dianne, This whole Bernstein vs Young thing is starting to sound like the old my dad is tougher than your dad school kid argument. They are both nationally known authors with good info. Take what you can from them. A simple search for Robert Young at amazon.com, your local library, will pull up several books that he has written. His recent(2005) book "The PH Miracle for Diabetes" has the info that I mention. A google search pulls up thousands of hits, so I don't know where you are looking. It seems like you are not. Another point that I think is worth mentioning, Dr Young and Dr Bernstein really cannot DO anything, only suggest what WE can do to improve our situations. <!--more--> Dr Richard Schulze has been showing patients for years how to cure themselves of every disease imaginable and he specifically says that his patients cure themselves. The body heals itself given the right circumstances. What Young offers are things you can do to create the right cirmcumstances to heal yourself. If you were a patient of Bernsteins 10 years ago and are still searching for holistic info on diabetes, is it fair to guess you are still diabetic? If so, why are you railing against a new avenue of hope? I don't get it. Dianne,

This whole Bernstein vs Young thing is starting to sound like the old
my dad is tougher than your dad school kid argument. They are both
nationally known authors with good info. Take what you can from them.

A simple search for Robert Young at amazon.com, your local library,
will pull up several books that he has written. His recent(2005) book
"The PH Miracle for Diabetes" has the info that I mention. A google
search pulls up thousands of hits, so I don’t know where you are
looking. It seems like you are not.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning, Dr Young and Dr
Bernstein really cannot DO anything, only suggest what WE can do to
improve our situations.

Dr Richard Schulze has been showing patients for years how to cure
themselves of every disease imaginable and he specifically says that
his patients cure themselves. The body heals itself given the right
circumstances. What Young offers are things you can do to create the
right cirmcumstances to heal yourself.

If you were a patient of Bernsteins 10 years ago and are still
searching for holistic info on diabetes, is it fair to guess you are
still diabetic? If so, why are you railing against a new avenue of
hope? I don’t get it.

]]> By: John Smith http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11469 John Smith Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:16:40 +0000 http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11469 Liz, I think you are right. The alkaline diet that Young recommends does actually eliminate glutens and dairy products. As you write, this might be one of the biggest reasons it works so well for diabetics. About 10 years ago I was recommended to eliminate all dairy and wheat from my diet for diabetes. The results were almost immeadiately substantial lowering of insulin needs, lower blood sugar, weight loss, etc. Stayed with this for about 6 months, but found it hard to find foods to eat while eating out and finally re-added the dairy and wheat and immeadiately say BG rises and insulin need increases. I am also thinking that the reason that wheat grass juice has been described as "natural insulin" by some natural healers is because the <!--more--> raw grass nutrients in juice form give the body what it needs to clean out a lot of old wheat/gluten residue. Possibly it cleans the blockages that cause diabetes? A theory. All the best, Brock Liz,

I think you are right. The alkaline diet that Young recommends does
actually eliminate glutens and dairy products. As you write, this
might be one of the biggest reasons it works so well for diabetics.

About 10 years ago I was recommended to eliminate all dairy and wheat
from my diet for diabetes. The results were almost immeadiately
substantial lowering of insulin needs, lower blood sugar, weight loss,
etc. Stayed with this for about 6 months, but found it hard to find
foods to eat while eating out and finally re-added the dairy and wheat
and immeadiately say BG rises and insulin need increases.

I am also thinking that the reason that wheat grass juice has been
described as "natural insulin" by some natural healers is because the

raw grass nutrients in juice form give the body what it needs to clean
out a lot of old wheat/gluten residue. Possibly it cleans the
blockages that cause diabetes? A theory.

All the best,

Brock

]]> By: Dave Black http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11468 Dave Black Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:54:31 +0000 http://diabetes.pocket-book.com/2006/08/16/re-digest-number-1382/#comment-11468 I was Bernstein's patient in '95-'96 so I know what HE can do. In spite of constant research on the subject of holistic treatment of DM, I have never heard of Dr. Young. If he can cure T1 & T2 diabetes, why is he so obscure? Anyone can make claims. Dianne I was Bernstein’s patient in ‘95-’96 so I know what HE can do.

In spite of constant research on the subject of holistic treatment of DM, I
have never heard of Dr. Young.
If he can cure T1 & T2 diabetes, why is he so obscure? Anyone can make claims.

Dianne

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