diabetes has many causes
but all lead to the same thing.
for destruction of the beta cells you must have two things:
a predisposition
and an enviromental factor.
of course if you physically damage the pancreas in an accident like a car crash
your condition will also be diabetic.
people talk about fibrosis so here you go.
diabetes can take as much as 9 years from pre-diabetic till symptoms.
i can be caused by a viral epitope, most commenly from mups, measels or polio
exposure at a young age.
or by some other enviromental trigger.
this leads to the over production of the tnf-a cykotine, a protein found on t or
white blood cells as well as many other inflammatory cykotines.
these cykotines mistake b cells as forign invaders and rally antibodies to
destroy them.
so the only way to permenently cure diabetes (type1) would be to go through what
a cancer patient goes through.
1) taking bone marrow
2) irradiating your self and completely destroying the immune system
3) replacing bone marrow and retraining the immune system slowly.
or if you wanted a temporary fix you could take CD34 stem cells from your bone
marrow, collect them and inject them into the pancreatic artery in a highly
concentrated number.
these cells unlike embryonic stem cells have proven their ability many times in
human and mice to differentiate when needed.
this fix would last years.
unlike the skin, the pancreas, heart, liver etc doesnt have the ability to
regenerate on its own, becuse not many cd 34 cells attach to it.
May 24th, 2006 at 6:36 am
cykotines attack the beta cells for a variaty of reasons.
one is that if your exposed to measels, mups, polio etc at a young age it leaves
a viral epitope or organism in your body with protein on it that mimic B cell
proteins.
but it could be caused by any number of things, i was exposed to german measels
at a young age myself, and have had inflamation and destruction of the pancreas
and appendix.
your right about something being wrong with the dna of a diabetic, it could
happen at birth or at anytime.
the body is always replicating cells by the billions to generate new blood, new
skin, etc etc.
if one cell doesnt reproduce right it can turn into cancer, it can turn into
anything.
thats where the enviromental factor comes in, diabetes could be caused by a
mutated cell, or a virri infected cell, in some people.
the body works fine for years because inflammatory cykotines are only produced
in very large numbers qwhen the person is sick. with the flu, or a virus etc.
it can take up to 9 years to how diabetic symptoms.
"these cykotines mistake b cells as forign invaders and rally antibodies
to destroy them."
Forgive my partially uneducated questions and comments.
It would seem that this is the key right here. WHY do the cykotines
mistake the beta cells as foreign? Is it something about the beta
cells? or the cykotines? - the immune system so misdirected that they
attack the body itself. Treatment should then focus on the immune
system, rather than insulin, excercise and diet.
I know there are many auto-immune disorders, and maybe i am dense, but i
can’t begin to comprehend how one part of the body can mistake another
part of the same body as foreign. The body works as one entire entity
and every part is in constant communication with every other part (and
us) at every moment. Kind of a quantum view, rather than a mechanistic
view where each part independently does its thing. The only way it can
recognize something foreign is if communication breaks down or there is
something in a part that is not of the body itself.
The current view of auto-immune means something is severely wrong with
the DNA, cellular mechanisms, neurotransmitters that carry the messages
and on and on through so many mechanisms. So why focus only on the part
that is destroyed and cope with the damage, rather than understand why
it happens - and what in particular is out of whack in the body to allow
this to happen.
It makes more sense to me to see a foreign body of some type inside that
is causing the attack. The viral view makes sense, the theories gluten
or dairy allergies, reaction to vaccines…..in type 1 the body works
fine for many years, then suddenly stops and attacks itself. WHY?
rachel
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May 25th, 2006 at 4:58 am
tristan wrote:
> so the only way to permenently cure diabetes (type1) would be to go through
what a cancer patient goes through.
>
Not true.
It is always dangerous and presumptuous to say "the only way to do
something……"
because there is ALWAYS another way.
If you look for it:-))
For example *one* other way which is a lot less unpleasant than the way
you describe, is to use homeopathy.
That will also work for cancer by the way:-)
Namaste,
May 25th, 2006 at 11:01 pm
> Forgive my partially uneducated questions and comments.
They look good to me:-)
> It would seem that this is the key right here. WHY do the cykotines
> mistake the beta cells as foreign?
BEcause the immune system only functions well - with cytokines in
balance - if it has not been damaged and "skewed" towards overemphasis
of some cytokines over others.
We skew out immune systems every time we eat soy or get a vaccination
and we further damage the immune system when we use drugs especially
steroids like prednisone. so when some of the immune system is too
damaged to function, there are feedback loops between different cytokine
functions and they trigger inappropriate responses. Under normal
balanced immune system conditions the feedback loops are only triggered
when a correct response is in order, but if the response that *should*
happen is missing then there will be feedback to bring in another aspect
and that can happen for an action that is "wrong" in the circumstances.
For example if your immune system cytokines are skewed towards the TH-2
ones (as in diabetes always) then the TH-1 cytokines are under produced
and any small invasion will be seen as a major one due to the fact that
the TH-1 system is overwhelmed "apparently" as far as the feedback loops
can tell. So the big attack Th-2 guns are brought to bear for the
supposedly overwhelmed TH-1 first-response system (which has very little
to deal with in actual fact, it’s just under functioning) and this
over-response is the problem - it attacks good cells as there really was
no major invasion to attack.
> Treatment should then focus on the immune
> system, rather than insulin, excercise and diet.
Exactly - you hit the nail squarely on the head. People are focused on
the wrong aspects for true cure - it’s the imbalanced immune system that
needs to be re-balanced.
(Which is why I like homeopathy as that balance can be achieved by
homeopathy, and is what homeopathy AIMS to achieve.)
Many of the components of the body look very similar at a molecular
level, and if too many antibodies are produced due to TH-1 under
functioning - they quite often mistake similar looking molecules, or
*assume* that the molecules of the body are foreign. That’s what
allergic reactions are for example: A foreign protein gets into the body
and technically in a healthy immune system, the TH-1 first response
system would take care of the wrong protein, engulfing it to destroy it
and excrete it (using a macrophage). But if the Th-1 system seems
overwhelmed, then one of the cytokines feeds back a message to the bone
marrow to make antibodies and these then are OVER-produced where they
should not have been produced at all - causing an allergic response - a
self-attack or auto-immune syndrome. It’s because components are
produced *out of turn* for the wrong reasons.
YEs and in a balanced body this all works well.
But skew the immune system and you get chaos.
Kind of a quantum view, rather
> than a mechanistic view where each part independently does its thing.
The body has all these feedback loops which in a good system have
functions to handle different kinds of attacks.
Or if the wrong cytokine is triggered to initiate an attack against
something that is not there and it attacks the nearest-lookalike item.
> The current view of auto-immune means something is severely wrong
> with the DNA,
Well no. It’s a general term for self-attack. Auto means "self" so
auto-immune only means "immune system against self". There are several
different auto-immune syndromes but the common component that makes them
auto-immune is the attack of self.
Why?
Skewed immune system where cytokines are out of balance.
There are a dozen or more cytokines each with several functions. The
immune system is extremely complex and science has yet to unravel all
the components much less understand them ands their inter-reactions.
Controlling them is a long way off still.
Except for example by homeopathy which re-balances them.
Namaste,
May 26th, 2006 at 12:34 am
tristan wrote:
> so the only way to permenently cure diabetes (type1) would be to go through
what a cancer patient goes through.
>
Not true.
It is always dangerous and presumptuous to say "the only way to do
something……"
because there is ALWAYS another way.
If you look for it:-))
For example *one* other way which is a lot less unpleasant than the way
you describe, is to use homeopathy.
That will also work for cancer by the way:-)
Namaste,
Irene
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May 26th, 2006 at 12:31 pm
tristan wrote:
> i highly doubt that, it makes no sense.
There’s a lot in the world that "makes no sense" based on a person’s
current understanding.
Homeopathy works - possibly through liquid crystals and energy but just
because we do not fully know the mechanism by which is works, does not
make it nonfuntional:-)
We supposedly do not know how hummingbirds or bumblebees stay aloft
either - but they do too:-))
I can only tell you that homeopathy DOES restore pancreas function and
that means that yes new beta cells are indeed regenerated.
Whether they are multiplied up from existing ones or whether they start
afresh somehow I do not know.
I’ve seen this in the diabetic cat cases I have had in my practice and
my own pancreas is showing most encouraging test results now. If I could
just set the cortisol aside I suspect I have a healthy pancreas behind
that right now.
Regeneration is not a surprise to me when using homeopathy. For example
one cat case I had, was a cat whose ears were kicked off by a creep in
steel boots who left the cat for dead, bleeding from an ear hole, and
paralysed at the base of the spine.
With homeopathy the cat regained everything, including reversing a
paralysed tail, and regenerating new ears!!!
The new ears were a surprise to me. I can not explain them. But the
vet asked one day - doesn’t he seem to have about a quarter of an inch
of ear now where he had none? And I said well maybe it is scar tissue
from where they were kicked off. But the ears grew and grew - to full
size. And they were perfect ears, not the somewhat nicked and scarred
ones he had before the incident.
I’ve had three cases of spinal paralysis after car accidents - that
were supposed to never walk - all fine now. Another case of severe brain
damage after being smashed, now an intelligent fully functioning
individual.
And my own left thigh was so bad with gangrene that they wanted to
amputate it. But I used homeopathy and today it works as well as the
right leg - so everything there is regenerated too, it was all a mess
before.
Not only does homeopathy remake what’s missing but it removes what
should not be there. I used it for plantar fasciitis with bone spurs.
There’s no more fasciitis and there are no more bone spurs in my feet.
So I do not know HOW homeopathy does it, but it DOES do it:-))
I see it all the time in my work, and it’s got me through many scrapes.
(Also cured my breast cancer.)
Namaste,
May 27th, 2006 at 8:35 am
tristan wrote:
> i highly doubt that, it makes no sense.
There’s a lot in the world that "makes no sense" based on a person’s
current understanding.
Homeopathy works - possibly through liquid crystals and energy but just
because we do not fully know the mechanism by which is works, does not
make it nonfuntional:-)
We supposedly do not know how hummingbirds or bumblebees stay aloft
either - but they do too:-))
I can only tell you that homeopathy DOES restore pancreas function and
that means that yes new beta cells are indeed regenerated.
Whether they are multiplied up from existing ones or whether they start
afresh somehow I do not know.
I’ve seen this in the diabetic cat cases I have had in my practice and
my own pancreas is showing most encouraging test results now. If I could
just set the cortisol aside I suspect I have a healthy pancreas behind
that right now.
Regeneration is not a surprise to me when using homeopathy. For example
one cat case I had, was a cat whose ears were kicked off by a creep in
steel boots who left the cat for dead, bleeding from an ear hole, and
paralysed at the base of the spine.
With homeopathy the cat regained everything, including reversing a
paralysed tail, and regenerating new ears!!!
The new ears were a surprise to me. I can not explain them. But the
vet asked one day - doesn’t he seem to have about a quarter of an inch
of ear now where he had none? And I said well maybe it is scar tissue
from where they were kicked off. But the ears grew and grew - to full
size. And they were perfect ears, not the somewhat nicked and scarred
ones he had before the incident.
I’ve had three cases of spinal paralysis after car accidents - that
were supposed to never walk - all fine now. Another case of severe brain
damage after being smashed, now an intelligent fully functioning
individual.
And my own left thigh was so bad with gangrene that they wanted to
amputate it. But I used homeopathy and today it works as well as the
right leg - so everything there is regenerated too, it was all a mess
before.
Not only does homeopathy remake what’s missing but it removes what
should not be there. I used it for plantar fasciitis with bone spurs.
There’s no more fasciitis and there are no more bone spurs in my feet.
So I do not know HOW homeopathy does it, but it DOES do it:-))
I see it all the time in my work, and it’s got me through many scrapes.
(Also cured my breast cancer.)
Namaste,
Irene
–
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May 27th, 2006 at 6:37 pm
tristan wrote:
> sorry i cant take that seriously…a cat generated new ears?
Yes.
I would not have taken it seriously either except I literally saw them
grow as did the vet and a lot of other people.
There’s one other case of regeneration I know about - no homeopathy
needed though. Apparently if you chop fingers off just beyond the first
digit they have been known to regenerate, but not if it between the tip
and first joint. (By first joint I mean the one nearest the tip.) This
finger regeneration was in a textbook somewhere, I have not seen it.
Point is - the body CAN regenerate parts.
We regenerate kidney cells to heal bad kidneys and we do the same with
liver to restore liver health, and we grow replacement skin all the time.
You can do that with nutrition, herbs, homeopathy - several ways.
(Just can’t do it with drugs of course; drugs are toxins.)
I’d love to know how those ears regenerated.
I’d love to know the mechanism by which homeopathy works.
We shall one day - we just do not know yet. It will be to do with the
liquid crystals formed by water and the energy flows that allows - but
exactly how is not clear yet.
At the time I treated the cat (1996) I had chosen a homeopathic remedy
to best suit the cat in total for ALL his many injuries - and there were
a lot more than I listed. I almost euthanised him but he made it clear
he wanted to live.
I expected the ear area to heal, not to regenerate:-))
Namaste,
May 28th, 2006 at 1:14 am
Rachel! I agree 100% with you. Most modern medical practicenors are not willing
to accept about homeopathic approach simply because it may be shame on them or
it may be hurting their wallets.
14 years ago i had urinary reflux, where my urine went back up into my
kidneys and the acid burned most of the functioning. Extensive testing
showed i had 32% kidney function left. Dialysis is needed below 30%.
Not being a fan of the medical world, i avoided doctors until 3 years
ago when i got very sick (and they still can’t figure out why!). Of
course I was sent to a kidney specialist and had all those tests
redone. My kidney functioning was over 50%, then a year later over 60%.
They tell me that is impossible, the first tests years ago and 2 years
ago were wrong. That says a lot about their practices in itself! They
threatened me (with legal implications) to take blood pressure medicine
to avoid the risk of long term damage to my kidneys. I kept asking them
why i need to take medicine when their tests show my kidneys keep
getting better and all they could answer me was "studies show this
medicine reduces the risk of long term damage". They couldn’t
understand I was improving /regenerating. It was outside their frame of
reference.
I see a homeopath, do lots of cleanses, energy work, try to eat properly
except under stress, lots of mind/body work, deal with my issues and all
that. So, i have experienced that regeneration is possible - outside
the medical system. Our body is alive - and the life force is
renewable, creative energy that does not end. To regenerate, all we
need to do is remove our own inner emotional and physical blockages that
prevent that energy of life from flowing freely within us. Most of the
alternative or mind/body techniques do exactly that.
rachel
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May 29th, 2006 at 4:08 am
Good thinking Tristan,
I’d like to interject that the "predisposition" can also be
triggered. The ability to turn genetic expression on and off is in
common use in the science lab today to produce mice for example
that have no immune system or are predisposed to certain illnesses.
We also know of definite genetic breakages being corrected
naturally in cancer as "spontaneous remission". The best
illustrative point I saw was the removal of DNA from mouse ova and
replaced with "broken DNA" from a mouse cancer cell. The outcome
was not "cancer mice" but healthy baby mice.
The contention that it’s the "only" way to cure anything doesn’t
take into account the fact that we can correct the immune response
that appears as an autoimmune disease and eliminate the disease.
Cancer paients are often cured without killing the immune system
but by correcting it; in fact I’ve just had two more cancer
patients testify on the cancercured list after using Transfer
Factor for only a month, their tumours have disappeared.
May 29th, 2006 at 4:21 pm
Rachel, just one reason the body recognizes "self" incorrectly is
simply a matter of cell to cell communication going awry. This
matter can be as simple as excess glucose or even toxin load
interfering with the formation of cell receptor sites, which are
made of glycoproteins. Glycoproteins are formed with eight
essential sugars, only one of which being the familiar glucose. If
the receptor sites are made incorrectly or messages are otherwise
impaired by proximity to toxins, correct messaging can’t occur, and
when it’s corrected, the autoimmune disorder can simply vanish.
I’ve seen that happen with Mannatech products alone, in rheumatoid
arthritis specifically, and since then, using these techniques
among others I’ve reversed several other fatal autoimmune disorders
for which there is "no cure". More information is in my
degenerative illness protocol posted on my website.
My protocol takes several variables into account, just like you
suggest.
May 30th, 2006 at 10:14 am
Hi Rachel,
No,
but malabsorption of nutrition can be explained in a fairly healthy
person by bowel dysbiosis and consequent incorrect pH. In an
unhealthy person, malabsorption can also be made worse by blood
coagulation due to a peaked inflammatory cycle; this would also
explain the low oxygen reding in the bowel lining, particularly in
chrohn’s disase and I think, IBS.
OK, here’s one you’ll love that relates to opioid sites….
Higher nicotine levels in schizophrenia patients ‘not due to
metabolism’
Interesting that Dr. Abram Hoffer has been treating schizophrenia for
40 years with high vitamin B doses, parrticularly high (niacin) b-3
doses, which affect the same receptor sites.
I’m no so sure about emotional work resolving illness; cause:effect
relationship is much easier to see when one worries oneself sick than
when wishing for a speedy recovery. I do have people off their SSRIs
by using salvia occasionally. How it works it think is by showing one
exactly where one fits into the universe(s), it gives a sense of
belonging or something. It does NOT substitute one load for another.
May 31st, 2006 at 10:08 am
its quite possible vaccines play a big role.
but as show in identical twins it must be triggered by something.
and if you regenerate the pancreas who says its going to be triggered again?
anyway infliximab suppresses the effectiveness of tnfa but its side effects can
be bad.
tristan wrote:
This means everyone who had the basic vaccines is at risk. One more
danger of vaccines to add to the list.
so it takes some event to trigger a disease. It is the ‘final straw’
that overloads the immune system and things spiral out from there.
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May 31st, 2006 at 11:36 pm
> The low oxygen reading is oxidation - rust.
I don’t buy that the low oxygen reading is rust. By that reasoning
one would expect that if one reduced oxygen enough the diseases would
go away, but in fact the reverse is true. As an ozone therapist I
have learned that the oxygen free radicals are supposed to be
controlled, and if they are not one is not producing enough
antioxidants to control them. That’s why the "other end" of bio-
oxidative therapy provides precursors the body can use to control
excessive free radical damage.
I think that is probably correct; 255 diseases are on the list as
being successfully treated with ozone therapy, and presumably other
bio-oxidative therapies like peroxide IVs.
I think it’s important to note that salvia is safe, probably even for
children; I mean, geting a liberal dose of spirituality is probably a
good thing for most people.
I undersand that; my grandmother, who was medically trained, used to
get us to visualize the "white horses battling the dark horses" when
we were sick. I think the visualizations helped.
June 1st, 2006 at 9:28 pm
Thanks for writing Rachel.
Indeed I believe your kidney regeneration - it just needs the right
nutrition, and the current conventional profession has a tendency to
advise the opposite of what works! They advise low protein for damaged
kidneys - they could not give worse advice!!!
What we need to regenerate is very high protein plus fish oil to
dilate the kidney vessels to keep the pressure down and Vit E to undo
scar tissue.
A homeopathic remedy will certainly speed it up but isn’t absolutely
needed. My kidneys were spilling protein last July from diabetes damage.
Now they do not even spill microalbumin. I just ignored the medical
advice I got from my endo and ate a diet with 45% of my calories from
animal protein, mainly from beef eggs and fish, added fish oil, other
good fats and lots of antioxidants and cut my carbs down drastically.
> They tell me that is impossible
It’s a strange system the medical profession. They think their way is
the only way - so if their way does not work, then they call it
"impossible" :-))
My grandmother taught me that if it was not working I should stop doing
it and find another way - but that principle has not reached the medical
profession yet - they prefer to remain on the "my way is the only way"
pedestal and call it "impossible".
So carry on doing the "impossible" :-)))
Namaste,
June 2nd, 2006 at 11:25 pm
tristan wrote:
> its quite possible vaccines play a big role.
Vaccines are *known* to skew the immune system so that there is emphasis
on TH-2 cytokines at the expense of the chronic disease resisting Th-1
cytokine activity.
So ANY vaccine will predispose chronic disease - some doing more harm
than others.
After that all you need is a trigger like toxins, low health, stress,
poor diet, etc.
> and if you regenerate the pancreas who says its going to be triggered again?
The question is whether it is regenerated in presence of a balanced
immune system or a skewed one. If skewed, then the predisposition is
still there.
But the body will not regenerate in a skewed condition.
You could technically transplant a pancreas but again if the immune
system is still skewed there’d be no point.
To re-balance the immune system, the best method I know is classical
homeopathy. It takes time depending how long it has been out of whack
and what else has gone wrong since then.
After all most of us got damaged as infants (from vaccines) and it may
be a lot later that chronic disease is triggered.
In my case, homeopathy over the last few years has had to remove layer
after layer of superimposed chronic problem over a 57 year life starting
with major multiple vaccines (my mom thought the more the merrier). I
have a few layers to go still.
Namaste,
June 4th, 2006 at 11:05 am
YEs
Slowly but surely:-)
I have a lot more wrong than just diabetes, so it is taking time.
Namaste,
June 4th, 2006 at 9:15 pm
Homeopathy is nobody’s imagination any more than gravity is imagination,
and it has nothing to do with "beliefs".
But there is a saying:
"None so blind as those who will not see"
:-)))
Now THAT has to do with beliefs (including pre-judgement):-))
Have a great day,
June 5th, 2006 at 1:07 pm
Nothing wrong with that - but something is wrong with the notion that
animals who heal with a homeopathic remedy are getting a placebo effect:-))
Namaste,
June 6th, 2006 at 3:49 am
> They advise low protein for damaged
> kidneys - they could not give worse advice!!!
I agree with Irene; one of the best regenerative supplements is cold-
processed whey, a high-protein highly bioavailable supplement that
generates the most-used antoxidant and detoxifier the body has, and
without which there is always disease and infection.
> What we need to regenerate is very high protein plus fish oil
to
> dilate the kidney vessels to keep the pressure down and Vit E to
undo
> scar tissue.
I would add metabolic enzymes to Irene’s recommendation. They "clean"
the inside of all the blood vessels in the body, improve
microcirculation and dissolve some fibrosis and scar tissue, and
importantly, reduce blood coagulation to normal values.
Because diabetes is a disease of inflammation this could be one of
the most important supplements one could take. Put another way, high
coagulation impairs oxygen delivery, nutrient delivery and toxin
removal, so it’s essentialy a metabolic suppressor that should be
addressed. All this aside from the stroke, heart attack, Alzheimer’s
etc… risk that blood coagulation is known to increase.
June 6th, 2006 at 11:44 am
.
>
> I didn’t know that about fish oil or vitamin e, its good for a
reference.
>
Rachel, make sure the fish oil is *NOT* from farmed Alantic salmon, a
very high pro-inflammatory, and the halibut oil *NOT* from east or
west coast of North America stocks. If you take a tablespoon of fish
oil you’d get more mileage from a gram or two of Borage oil as well.
But again, that doesn’t make eliminating all of the corn, canola and
soy oils, trans-fat hydrogenated oil, and reducing most other
vegetable oils except coconut and palm, a nonessential exercise.
June 7th, 2006 at 12:39 am
Duncan Crow wrote:
Duncan:
> I would add metabolic enzymes to Irene’s recommendation. They "clean"
> the inside of all the blood vessels
You can do that in a SAFE way by eating food very high in beta
sitosterol instead, such as extra virgin olive oil and rice bran.
Namaste,
June 7th, 2006 at 1:14 pm
Duncan Crow wrote:
> If you take a tablespoon of fish
> oil you’d get more mileage from a gram or two of Borage oil as well.
Most people are Type O blood; borage is contraindicated for that blood
type (as is evening primrose) but I agree the addition of a little GLA
along with plenty fish oil and suggest blackcurrant oil as a source.
I agree except I’d skip the coconut and palm as well
I’d add extra virgin olive oil, fresh nuts and seeds and rice bran.
A lot of good oil is important to replace bad fats:-)
NAmaste,
June 8th, 2006 at 10:32 am
The safety of fibrinolytic enzymes is proven; they are so safe that
they have no LD-50.
The safety is no doubt due in part to the fact they are pretty
specific to dissolving excess fibrin, which is the first layer of
clots and also behind the "thick blood" of chronic blood coagulation.
They are so effective that they can be used at a much reduced dose
compared to the proteolytics you might be familiar with; the reduced
dose makes them even safer.
I have one specialist’s acknowledgement that fibrinolytic enzymes are
known to reduce plaque.
Thank you for the pointer on beta sitosterol. I found one in-vivo
study from 1999 that showed it was fibrinolytic in rabbits if given
over a three-month period.
That being said, many people don’t have the luxury of months to wait
for the circulation to come back in their legs (peripheral arterial
disease) or their heart (angina) for example, so for fast effect the
award goes to the enzymes. Some doctors’ anecdtal reports indicate
circulation can be restored in just 48 hours or so. That’s why all the
interest in using oral metabolic enzymes.
For long-term results, sure, olive oil and rice bran, and a few other
naturals may be useful. In my view the sterol family should be well-
represented in a healthy diet anyway.
June 9th, 2006 at 9:16 am
> Irene wrote:
> Most people are Type O blood; borage is contraindicated for that
blood
> type (as is evening primrose) but I agree the addition of a little
GLA
> along with plenty fish oil and suggest blackcurrant oil as a source.
Thanks for that; you don’t find that in the research. I’m type O, but
I dont follow D’Adamo’s work.
Asyou wish, but I suggested coconut oil for good reason: It is the
lowest oxidizer; in research, coconut oil reduced cholesterol by 17%
in a single event; like all MCT oils it dosn’t use cholesterol
transport; it is apparently thyroid-supportive, meaning it increases
basal metabolic rate; it kills germs. It is in fact a very good oil
to replace the bad fats with, and I think it practically makes olive
oil the #2 oil but they have differeing properties. People get well
on it. Quite a lot of the coconut oil research appears on my website.
June 9th, 2006 at 5:08 pm
Duncan Crow wrote:
> The safety of fibrinolytic enzymes is proven; they are so safe that
> they have no LD-50.
Not according to the safety data sheets, especially as fibronogenase is
usually derive from snake venom which happens to come with aspects that
do have a significant LD50.
However, the LD50 is not a measure of safety long-term or short-term for
human health.
> The safety is no doubt due in part to the fact they are pretty
> specific to dissolving excess fibrin,
How do they "know" to dissolve only the excess:-)))
Three months is a short time to regain health:-))
As soon as you start to use it, the risk goes down. And if you add
spinach and extra virgin olive oil an Vit E, you will reverse the
problem much faster than with beta sitosterol alone.
I disagree. The end objective is better health body-wide, not a bit less
fibrin in the blood vessels which will return as soon as it can,
assuming you can remove it with fibrinogenase.
A combination of Vit E and fish oil will also unclog peripheral artery
disease, as well as removing angina pain - and adding to that the beta
sitosterol from EVO and rice bran plus Vit K1 from spinach - will give
immense all around health benefits to ALL the cells of the body; not
just some temporary fibrin removal - which is sure to return as soon as
you turn your back, since the fibrinogenase does not address the cause
of the problem.
What a fast-food society we live in - as long as it looks good on the
surface who cares what else is wrong?
My mother in law was amazed at her fast improvement of angina with 1000
IU of Vit E and 4000 mg fish oil daily - even before the other items
were added. and that was no flash in the pan temporary result, it was
long-term.
Namaste,
June 11th, 2006 at 12:42 am
Duncan Crow wrote:
> Asyou wish, but I suggested coconut oil for good reason: It is the
> lowest oxidizer;
In my book, it’s not a health benefit to be a low oxidizer.
It’s a health benefit to help burn fat, to be antioxidant, to provide
SCFAs, to reduce LDL, to increase HDL, etc - all of which EV olive will
do for example.
No chance.
The research on EVO’s health benefits is legion, and the antioxidants
are stronger than anywhere else, not to mention the oleic acid for fat
burning and a host of other benefits.
Coconut oil is also contraindicated for most blood types:
In type A and B it provokes an abnormal blood reaction; in type AB it
enhances the effect of other food toxins, O’s also a problem except type
O secretors for whom it is neutral - but they are a minority.
(Research assembled or done by Dr Peter D’Adamo.)
I like the taste and smell of coconut but it is EVO that made me and my
clients healthy, not coconut.
Namaste,
June 11th, 2006 at 10:56 am
I should have sipulated common oral fibrinolyic enzymes, which
fibrinogenase from snake venom is not. Sorry. Let’s stick with
microbial fibrinolytics.
> However, the LD50 is not a measure of safety long-term or short-
term for
> human health.
And that long-term safety isn’t an issue with nattokinase. That one
is pretty solid.
Good question; I know nattokinase does not cause spontaneous bleeding.
Fine, but we’re dealing with people who have serious blockages that
can be alleviated safely in days with nattokinase and serrapeptase.
The concept isn’t so new that we don’t know that.
We’re not discussing fibrinogenase, that’s not a common fibrinolytic
oral enzyme.
I agree with your point that the prevention move would be a good
idea, and I agree with the food choices, but I don’t agree there’s a
good reason for not doing the fast and effective clot-clearing with
enzymes in the first couple of weeks or so. I only equate that with
doing a couple of high colonics while starting on the fiber blend to
clear the encrusted fecal matter out of the intestine.
It just makes sense to me to move part of the healing process along
faster if you can. Three months cited in the rabbit study can be
gained in many people if they have better circulation and less fibrin
and inflammation.
I do already use cod-liver oil, olive oil and antioxidants, and next
blood test I’ll be sure to be checking my fibrin score. And I’m
ordering a month’s worth of BlockBuster All Clear anyway.
June 11th, 2006 at 8:53 pm
> In my book, it’s not a health benefit to be a low oxidizer.
> It’s a health benefit to help burn fat, to be antioxidant, to
provide
> SCFAs, to reduce LDL, to increase HDL, etc - all of which EV olive
will
> do for example.
Coconut oil being a low oxidizer just means there’s only 10% of the
spontaneous oxidation (lipid peroxidation) potential and thus less
free radical potential than olive oil.
Coconut oil does those things and it also increases HGH, which has
anti-metabolic syndrome tendencies. You mentioned SCFAs; well, olive
oil has no capric, caprylic, lauric or myristic acids; these are some
of the strengths of coconut oil.
> Coconut oil is also contraindicated for most blood types:
Sorry, I never really bought into eating for your blood type, but
even so, one can’t help but notice that it induces healing in all
blood types.
June 14th, 2006 at 1:12 pm
I am desperate to be cured like everybody else i suppose.i have sent 2 emails