Re: Digest Number 1264
Hi Debs - What was the specific problem with the Diabeticine? Was it just
that it didn’t work for you, or did it cause unpleasant side effects. As for
me, I checked out their website and it seemed a bit pricey to me. I also prefer
taking the separate ingredients since my stomach is sometimes sensitive.
Helene
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:59 am
I agree with this. The discussion is not about who should do what, that
would be presumptuous.
The discussion is about what fruit can do to the diabetic person’s
metabolism. That is important information however - as before I knew all
that, I also chose to eat fruit. It’s *my* choice to no longer eat it
while I am diabetic - but the *information* that led to my decision
might (or might not) be useful to others on this discussion list. so
this is not about people’s decisions and nor does it criticize them -
it’s about knowing how much sugar level does what to the cells of the
body. And it’s also about how much fruit causes how much sugar level.
How people choose to use that information is their business:-))
Why even bring up a question like that? Till now there was no discussion
here of "who" is "right". It matters only "what information" is relevant
in decision making - not who presents it or who uses it :-)))
It’s not a question of understanding the glycemic index. Anything with a
high glycemic index does not belong in a diabetic’s house in the first
place so is not part of the conversation in my view:-))
So that in my book just leaves the decision of *how much* carbohydrate
to eat. Being low glycemic does not mean there is less blood glucose
made from it - it just means it is there over a longer period.
The total glucose load is the same whatever the glycemic index. 15 g
carbs will make the same amount of damaging sugar whether they are from
pure sugar or some low glycemic item.
I still do not advocate eating any high glycemic item - as that’s just
so short of nutrients to begin with that you may as well call it poison
and not food.
But there IS another alternative - a much healthier one - and that’s to
eat protein and good fat *instead* of the so-called low glycemic foods
that are still full of carbs.
We only need super-low-carb foods like green veg, red peppers and so on,
to meet nutritional needs. There is nothing in fruit or grain or dairy
that can not be obtained in a way more healthy for diabetics elsewhere
in high protein and high good fat foods.
So I see no reason to swallow the carbs that cause increased diabetic
damage.
If others are not as fussy about diabetic damage, it’s their choice. I
am only hoping to explain that there are healthier *options* available.
My problem is that the same damage (or some say worse damage) happens
from low glycemic food as from the same carbs in any other form - as it
hangs out longer in the blood even though the total at one time is less.
So from a damage caused by glycation perspective - the low glycemic
foods are not very special. The ZERO carb foods however are special:-))
Your choice. I can not keep my glucose under 110 if I eat those.
And that’s my goal.
> I also eat oatmeal, 1/2 cup just about every morning. I
> sweeten it with Cactus Nectar..
I can’t even have that stuff in my house :-))
My glucose would sky-rocket just knowing it was in the cupboard :-))
The closest I come is pure rice bran which gives me some fiber along
with all the green veg I eat.
> ..a good sprinkle of
> cinnamon and about a table spoon of heavy whipping cream.
Those sound okay.
I use hardly any dairy but sour cream now and then for stroganoff
(with bean sprouts for noodles.)
My snack time is the evening - I would eat walnuts, almonds, hazelnuts,
bits of cheese and a couple squares of dark chocolate with a half glass
of red wine instead:-)
> My hba1c is below diabetic level………
It’s not hard to be below what the ADA calls diabetic level. But they
call 7 okay when a nondiabetic healthy person is 4.3 to 4.6.
The diabetics at 5.3 have neuropathy. So do I, and mine is 5.3 on the
way down from 7.9 to my goal of 4.6.
What my doctor thinks does not impress me because my doctor is not aware
of the dangers of sugar. She only has conventional medical school
training which tells her that A1c of 7 is okay. Well to me neuropathy
and kidney damage and glycation of my cells, etc etc is not okay.
So MY person choice is top have a healthy person’s A1c of 4.6. I’m not
there yet. 5.3 is not good enough, I am still a work in progress.
This "standard" of 7 that is set by the ADA and medical profession is
the cause of the vast increase in diabetics of 50% over the past few
years. I think it’s grounds to sue them for malpractice but instead I’m
setting my own A1c goal to the one found in healthy non-diabetics with a
fully functioning pancreas, namely 4.3 to 4.6.
As you implied above - it’s a choice whether we follow blindly what ADA
says, or get hold of better information and choose to use it to achieve
better health (if we want it).
so does mine but I am not impressed. Impressing my doctor is not my
goal. Restoring my health is my goal - and it’s a lot harder to meet
*my* goal than to impress a doctor educated in the rotten misinformation
dished out by the ADA.
> So……….what I am doing is good for
> me,
Is it?
Impressing your doctor is no proof it is good for you, sorry to say.
Namaste,