Type 1
Lynn, Fiona, Linda, Thanks for the suggestions about the hormones. My
daughter has been diabetic for almost 2 years, I thought I was looking for
diabetes (my mom was a type 1 diabetic) but it slipped by me. It happened
during my busiest time, spring (I had a garden center) her blood sugar was
1188 they flew her to a larger hospital the country hospital wasn’t equipped
to take care of her. We got into a routine pretty quick because I grew up
with a type 1 and my husband was recently diagnosed as a type 2 a couple of
years ago. She has kept her h1c in the 7’s until last month and it went up
to 8.2 (hormones I think.) I had been looking at Hulda Clarks books for
several years because my mom had also been diagnosed with multi system
autoimmune degeneration, and I was looking for something to help her.
Unfortunately she did not want to try any of the cleanses (if it was that
simple why didn’t the doctors use it?) I did take my mom for clelation
therapy and we did see improvement but my dad thought he was wasting money
and it wasn’t working fast enough. I would recommend every diabetic educate
themselves on clelation therapy! Back to Hulda Clark, I looked at the info
and looked on the net for info that supported her claims, I then tried the
cleanses on myself before I let my daughter try anything. I received relief
from my gallbladder pain and several other things and passed a few parasites
but not as many as my husband and daughter. Was this because they have
diabetes or high blood sugars (better environment for parasites to live)? We
use the zapper that H.C. recommends (the early version) but it does work,
you can get more parasites out(when you are on the cleanse),it will stop a
cold virus (if you use it early enough), stops outbreaks of cold sores ect.
I don’t think it is strong enough to get the stuff that’s in the liver and
pancreas. We have tried the rife frequency machine in the doctors office,
can’t say that we could see any difference from what we were doing with the
herbs and the zapper. We tried the homeopathy drops the ones for parasites
and bacteria and had the same reduced need for insulin that we experienced
with the herbs. Her need for insulin goes back up 2-4 days after we stop
taking the herbs, which happens often because we all get burnt out after a
while. I talked on the phone to Hulda Clarks’ son David he said his mom
concentrates on the cancer patients and a colleague of hers treats the
diabetics, he said they have had over 100 cures, I asked for more info and
he said they were working on a new protocol for diabetes. Maybe if we all
start emailing them they will hurry up!
Linda, I just found the site for the NMT treatments looks interesting can’t
wait to hear your results!
Karen
August 15th, 2004 at 9:33 pm
Hello Lynn,
Ok…… where to begin. Looks like I’m doing the "mainstream" route this
morning…. uggggh.
My condolences on your son’s 14th birthday <ggg>. I’ve lost track, he is a
type 1 diabetic?
Now I am compelled to politely (I hope) challenge your statement re:
adrenaline. Adrenal system has an "off" too.
Don’t care how much exercise he does, unless he’s got other problems (i.e.
with his adrenal system) doing so won’t interfere meaningfully for more than
the very short term. Were you making the connection between ~heavy exercise~
and sugars as being in the generic a… negative one???
Merely being sure,
When/if time allows…
Genuinely,
Jeff
August 18th, 2004 at 4:10 am
Jeff,
Yes, my son is Type 1. And, yes, the effect is for the short term. When he
plays soccer his sugar usually goes up to between 300 and 400 for a few hours
afterwards. He does play hard. Normal exercise always has a beneficial effect.
It just seems to be the adrenaline rush of the competition in the game.
Lynn
Hello Lynn,
Ok…… where to begin. Looks like I’m doing the "mainstream" route this
morning…. uggggh.
My condolences on your son’s 14th birthday <ggg>. I’ve lost track, he is a
type 1 diabetic?
Now I am compelled to politely (I hope) challenge your statement re:
adrenaline. Adrenal system has an "off" too.
Don’t care how much exercise he does, unless he’s got other problems (i.e.
with his adrenal system) doing so won’t interfere meaningfully for more than
the very short term. Were you making the connection between ~heavy exercise~
and sugars as being in the generic a… negative one???
Merely being sure,
When/if time allows…
Genuinely,
Jeff
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August 18th, 2004 at 4:19 pm
Steve and Karen:
I have been looking for the colleague of Hulda Clark’s that works with
diabetics. I, too, heard there were a lot of successes. Please give us the
email for Hulda Clark or her son so we can request further information from
them. This was my purpose in joining this group, to track down this person. Any
info will be appreciated.
Lynn
Lynn, Fiona, Linda, Thanks for the suggestions about the hormones. My
daughter has been diabetic for almost 2 years, I thought I was looking for
diabetes (my mom was a type 1 diabetic) but it slipped by me. It happened
during my busiest time, spring (I had a garden center) her blood sugar was
1188 they flew her to a larger hospital the country hospital wasn’t equipped
to take care of her. We got into a routine pretty quick because I grew up
with a type 1 and my husband was recently diagnosed as a type 2 a couple of
years ago. She has kept her h1c in the 7’s until last month and it went up
to 8.2 (hormones I think.) I had been looking at Hulda Clarks books for
several years because my mom had also been diagnosed with multi system
autoimmune degeneration, and I was looking for something to help her.
Unfortunately she did not want to try any of the cleanses (if it was that
simple why didn’t the doctors use it?) I did take my mom for clelation
therapy and we did see improvement but my dad thought he was wasting money
and it wasn’t working fast enough. I would recommend every diabetic educate
themselves on clelation therapy! Back to Hulda Clark, I looked at the info
and looked on the net for info that supported her claims, I then tried the
cleanses on myself before I let my daughter try anything. I received relief
from my gallbladder pain and several other things and passed a few parasites
but not as many as my husband and daughter. Was this because they have
diabetes or high blood sugars (better environment for parasites to live)? We
use the zapper that H.C. recommends (the early version) but it does work,
you can get more parasites out(when you are on the cleanse),it will stop a
cold virus (if you use it early enough), stops outbreaks of cold sores ect.
I don’t think it is strong enough to get the stuff that’s in the liver and
pancreas. We have tried the rife frequency machine in the doctors office,
can’t say that we could see any difference from what we were doing with the
herbs and the zapper. We tried the homeopathy drops the ones for parasites
and bacteria and had the same reduced need for insulin that we experienced
with the herbs. Her need for insulin goes back up 2-4 days after we stop
taking the herbs, which happens often because we all get burnt out after a
while. I talked on the phone to Hulda Clarks’ son David he said his mom
concentrates on the cancer patients and a colleague of hers treats the
diabetics, he said they have had over 100 cures, I asked for more info and
he said they were working on a new protocol for diabetes. Maybe if we all
start emailing them they will hurry up!
Linda, I just found the site for the NMT treatments looks interesting can’t
wait to hear your results!
Karen
August 25th, 2004 at 12:48 am
Lynn,
Here is the program for diabetes that Dr Hulda Clark has:
This Diabetes Recovery program is working with Nancy Callahn a Nutritionist.
If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.
——-Original Message——-
Steve and Karen:
I have been looking for the colleague of Hulda Clark’s that works with
diabetics. I, too, heard there were a lot of successes. Please give us the
email for Hulda Clark or her son so we can request further information from
them. This was my purpose in joining this group, to track down this person.
Any info will be appreciated.
Lynn
Lynn, Fiona, Linda, Thanks for the suggestions about the hormones. My
daughter has been diabetic for almost 2 years, I thought I was looking for
diabetes (my mom was a type 1 diabetic) but it slipped by me. It happened
during my busiest time, spring (I had a garden center) her blood sugar was
1188 they flew her to a larger hospital the country hospital wasn’t equipped
to take care of her. We got into a routine pretty quick because I grew up
with a type 1 and my husband was recently diagnosed as a type 2 a couple of
years ago. She has kept her h1c in the 7’s until last month and it went up
to 8.2 (hormones I think.) I had been looking at Hulda Clarks books for
several years because my mom had also been diagnosed with multi system
autoimmune degeneration, and I was looking for something to help her.
Unfortunately she did not want to try any of the cleanses (if it was that
simple why didn’t the doctors use it?) I did take my mom for clelation
therapy and we did see improvement but my dad thought he was wasting money
and it wasn’t working fast enough. I would recommend every diabetic educate
themselves on clelation therapy! Back to Hulda Clark, I looked at the info
and looked on the net for info that supported her claims, I then tried the
cleanses on myself before I let my daughter try anything. I received relief
from my gallbladder pain and several other things and passed a few parasites
but not as many as my husband and daughter. Was this because they have
diabetes or high blood sugars (better environment for parasites to live)? We
use the zapper that H.C. recommends (the early version) but it does work,
you can get more parasites out(when you are on the cleanse),it will stop a
cold virus (if you use it early enough), stops outbreaks of cold sores ect.
I don’t think it is strong enough to get the stuff that’s in the liver and
pancreas. We have tried the rife frequency machine in the doctors office,
can’t say that we could see any difference from what we were doing with the
herbs and the zapper. We tried the homeopathy drops the ones for parasites
and bacteria and had the same reduced need for insulin that we experienced
with the herbs. Her need for insulin goes back up 2-4 days after we stop
taking the herbs, which happens often because we all get burnt out after a
while. I talked on the phone to Hulda Clarks’ son David he said his mom
concentrates on the cancer patients and a colleague of hers treats the
diabetics, he said they have had over 100 cures, I asked for more info and
he said they were working on a new protocol for diabetes. Maybe if we all
start emailing them they will hurry up!
Linda, I just found the site for the NMT treatments looks interesting can’t
wait to hear your results!
Karen
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August 28th, 2004 at 8:39 pm
Gary and Linda, thank you for kindly posting the website for Dr. Clark. And so
the quest continues. . .
Lynn
Lynn,
Here is the program for diabetes that Dr Hulda Clark has:
This Diabetes Recovery program is working with Nancy Callahn a Nutritionist.
If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.
——-Original Message——-
Steve and Karen:
I have been looking for the colleague of Hulda Clark’s that works with
diabetics. I, too, heard there were a lot of successes. Please give us the
email for Hulda Clark or her son so we can request further information from
them. This was my purpose in joining this group, to track down this person.
Any info will be appreciated.
Lynn
Lynn, Fiona, Linda, Thanks for the suggestions about the hormones. My
daughter has been diabetic for almost 2 years, I thought I was looking for
diabetes (my mom was a type 1 diabetic) but it slipped by me. It happened
during my busiest time, spring (I had a garden center) her blood sugar was
1188 they flew her to a larger hospital the country hospital wasn’t equipped
to take care of her. We got into a routine pretty quick because I grew up
with a type 1 and my husband was recently diagnosed as a type 2 a couple of
years ago. She has kept her h1c in the 7’s until last month and it went up
to 8.2 (hormones I think.) I had been looking at Hulda Clarks books for
several years because my mom had also been diagnosed with multi system
autoimmune degeneration, and I was looking for something to help her.
Unfortunately she did not want to try any of the cleanses (if it was that
simple why didn’t the doctors use it?) I did take my mom for clelation
therapy and we did see improvement but my dad thought he was wasting money
and it wasn’t working fast enough. I would recommend every diabetic educate
themselves on clelation therapy! Back to Hulda Clark, I looked at the info
and looked on the net for info that supported her claims, I then tried the
cleanses on myself before I let my daughter try anything. I received relief
from my gallbladder pain and several other things and passed a few parasites
but not as many as my husband and daughter. Was this because they have
diabetes or high blood sugars (better environment for parasites to live)? We
use the zapper that H.C. recommends (the early version) but it does work,
you can get more parasites out(when you are on the cleanse),it will stop a
cold virus (if you use it early enough), stops outbreaks of cold sores ect.
I don’t think it is strong enough to get the stuff that’s in the liver and
pancreas. We have tried the rife frequency machine in the doctors office,
can’t say that we could see any difference from what we were doing with the
herbs and the zapper. We tried the homeopathy drops the ones for parasites
and bacteria and had the same reduced need for insulin that we experienced
with the herbs. Her need for insulin goes back up 2-4 days after we stop
taking the herbs, which happens often because we all get burnt out after a
while. I talked on the phone to Hulda Clarks’ son David he said his mom
concentrates on the cancer patients and a colleague of hers treats the
diabetics, he said they have had over 100 cures, I asked for more info and
he said they were working on a new protocol for diabetes. Maybe if we all
start emailing them they will hurry up!
Linda, I just found the site for the NMT treatments looks interesting can’t
wait to hear your results!
Karen
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April 22nd, 2006 at 12:56 am
hi all, 2 weeks ago i was diagnosed with type 1, so can it really be
cured? i think dr faustman is the best hope.
April 22nd, 2006 at 12:57 pm
Well as far as I am concerned I have never heard of a cure for diabetes. If
there were a cure there would not be millions of people taking insulin and
diabetic meds.
The cure propaganda just does not hold water.
For a new person to diabetes you should listen to your doctor and get an
appointment with an endo.
Do all the research you can and you will soon be able to separate the wheat
from the chaff.
There are hundreds of scams out there that promise a cure but they only
empty your pockets.
A good one to remember is if it sounds to good to be true, it probably
isn’t.
Go to your library and check out diabetic and diabetic diet books.
Some can be controlled with diet, but it is never cured.
Good luck
bev
hi all, 2 weeks ago i was diagnosed with type 1, so can it really be
cured? i think dr faustman is the best hope.
–
April 23rd, 2006 at 8:36 am
The problem with your logic, ouija, is that you have assumed the
Medical Industry WANTS to cure anything. Indeed they do not, they want
to TREAT indefinitely.
The research is in place, and it’s not being acted on in the medical
(business with disease) arena but it IS in the health (business with
wellness) arena. The secret is diet and lifestyle, and if that’s not
enough, detoxification will reduce toxin load that leads to diabetes.
Arsenic exposure for example (but then again arsenic in drinking water
is a dietary issue isn’t it?).
Anyway I don’t think "cure" is appropriate term for a syndrome that
can easily be prevented in nearly all cases. But whatever.
April 24th, 2006 at 1:23 am
your saying diabetes can be prevented? wow, why didnt somebody tell that poor 3
month old baby?
anyway, after much research diabetes can be cured, i know it can. after i
experiment on myself i will post my findings here.
The problem with your logic, ouija, is that you have assumed the
Medical Industry WANTS to cure anything. Indeed they do not, they want
to TREAT indefinitely.
The research is in place, and it’s not being acted on in the medical
(business with disease) arena but it IS in the health (business with
wellness) arena. The secret is diet and lifestyle, and if that’s not
enough, detoxification will reduce toxin load that leads to diabetes.
Arsenic exposure for example (but then again arsenic in drinking water
is a dietary issue isn’t it?).
Anyway I don’t think "cure" is appropriate term for a syndrome that
can easily be prevented in nearly all cases. But whatever.
Duncan
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April 25th, 2006 at 8:40 pm
i am going to undergo an experimental procedure to cure type 1 soon.
its not as hard as you might think.
forget islet and pancreas transplants.
i will post results soon.
I’m sorry I find it very difficult to give you all the answers this way
without more to go on. You said in the first email that you had only been
diagnosed 2 weeks ago so I don’t think it would have anything to do with
your birth issues as you survived that unhappy time until now. However if
you became pregnant yourself the sub-concious worry that you may reject your
baby, even if you were conciously looking forward to the event. Someone may
well have said something to trigger the worry in your head? The fact that
you have diabetes means you would have stayed quiet and not argued. The
answer is to go back to that person and express your true feelings.
However you said there were other events immediately prior to your diagnosis
and I’m sure it would be more likely that this was the cause but like a true
diabetic you keep these things private. I’m not being critical, just trying
to explain why I don’t have all the answers.
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April 27th, 2006 at 11:30 am
I am posting as a mother of a Type I diabetic. Brennan was 6 when
he was diagnosed ten years ago. He was my third child. My girls
were 14 and 9. While I did not deeply resent being pregnant, I was
not happy about it in the beginning. I often joked that God gives
women nine months to be pregnant to get used to the idea. When
Brennan was born we bonded beautifully and life was grand until he
was diagnosed with Type I. While I don’t think I "caused" his
diabetes, I know there is a strong emotional component to disease.
Another incident happened to Brennan shortly before his diagnosis.
We were having severe problems with our second daughter who was 15
at the time. She had a fit, screaming that she hated me and then
said she didn’t hate me, she hated Brennan with pure hate in her
voice and her fist in his face. He barely registered any response
to her at all! This would be consistent with some of the recent
postings here. While I don’t know if this will be helpful to
anyone, I recently learned of some homeopathic remedies for this
type of situation. www.phytob.com has a remedy named FF15 Yellow
Foxglove for sugar balance. It works on the emotional level,
specifically addressing mother issues for the diabetic. We are
going to purchase this for Brennan and speak with him about why he
will be using it. I’ll let you know if there are any positive
results.
Lynn
May 2nd, 2006 at 4:08 am
Hi David,
I just joined this group and was looking at some of the past messages
and saw yours. I know this thread is old threat so I hope i am not
repeated what has already been discussed. Mind / body stuff is one of
my favorite topics.
I think you are right, its something in our unconscious. What you
were saying about some trauma starting it has been shown related to
cancer. Dr. Ryke Geerhard Hamer showed in over 20,000 people, that
all had an severe emotional trauma they were not able to resolve in
the 3 years precending diagnosis of cancer. He also showed that by
treating the trauma, the cancer is healed by itself.
I read somewhere (maybe Louise Hay?) that diabetes is about life not
being sweet anymore. With the high correlation of diabetes with
depression, it kind of makes sense. The body can’t absorb sugar -
can’t take in the sweetness and sustenance of life. Which could
easily be caused by traumas and all that crap that happens in life so
we shut down and just try to survive. I know for me this was true.
My life has been crap, and i spent most of it wanting out. Its just
recently with homeopathic treatment that i am starting to enjoy life
and people. And as soon as that happened, I was diagnosed! lol
This also explains the auto-immune thing. All kinds of recent science
shows our emotions manifest as amino acid chains that alter our DNA
and cellular function, taking the place of receptors. I wonder if
that could block the cells from being able to read the insulin-leading
to insulin resistence. That is just my interpretation and can very
easily be wrong. Also, Dr. Hulda Clark says diabetes is a cow fluke
in the pancreas, which would start the auto-immune reaction. For sure
there is something in the pancreas the body reacts against, it ain’t
just the pancreas. It has to be some virus, bacteria, parasite……..
I like what you said about spekaing your mind - that is a huge one for
me too. Its a big one to unlearn.
hope i didn’t ramble too much as i tend to do,
rachel
September 2nd, 2006 at 3:22 pm
Hi
How do you manage to control your sugar levels. I
have two sons both type 1 and they find it very hard
to control the sugar levels.
Joan
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:54 am
Hi Joan ,
I am new to this diabetes business. 16 yr old
daughter just diagnosed type 1. Blood sugar and
Insulin doses are all over the place right now . I
don’t like the idea of insulin dependence , and I want
her to try everything to avoid it.
WHat I plan to do is get my family as much into
"Live" food as possible . And away from processed
empty carbs as much as possible, which is the main
food which requires the insulin anyway ; and also get
off gluten . All this garbage puts a load on the
system and has little nutritional value anyway ; it
creates sugar imbalances and causes people to
slowly starve to death, whilst becoming more addicted
to stimulants ,all by displacing real food, which
nourishes and energizes and regenerates .
It is a MUST also to eliminate all artificial
sweeteners which are toxic . Do not follow the
Diabetic Association lead on this . THese sweeteners
ARE extreemly toxic esp for diabetics, ( there are 95
mdedical conditions listed as caused by aspertame
including all kinds of neurological failures) , and
the Diabetic Association is controlled by Monsanto ,
in this respect , which makes Aspertame and other
sweeteners . At the hospital they , also give away
Splenda in their kiddy package give aways box , when
they ask your kid to sign up as a member with the
association !!!! Aspertame and MOnsanto , the FDA, and
the Diabetic Association are named in various class
action suits .
Learn about vegetables, raw cuisine , juicing , algae
supplements , and stay away from all artificial and
processed food . Thats the way to balance sugaar and
keep insulin requirement down , and ensure that you
children have a reasonably healthy future .
I think I am going to hire some professional raw
foods "cook" so I can learn and the kids can at least
be exposed to this "real " food way to regain and
maintain health .
I’m talking about raw vegetables , and raw cuisine
which includes preparations with such things as nut/
vegetable pattees , smoothies , salads , deserts made
with fruit purees etc etc, green juices , wheat grass
juices , super green foods like green powders from
algaes, grasses etc etc etc . If the kids will start
to instinctively reach for a vegetable instaed of a
nutri-grain bar , they will automatically be in a
better place. I just got a copy of Dr Robert Youngs
The Ph Miracle and diabetes. THis recommends raising
the alkaline level of your blood . Acidity promotes
all health problems . Vegetables keep blood
alkalinity up, supply minerals , enzymes vitamins and
chloropyll , they keep sugar down , and promote
healing . It’s a no brainer . If I could get my
daughter to drink green juice everyday , I know she
would not be diabetic for long . The other thing is to
be aware of the emotional issues like Brock has said
in some of the letters.
Eliminating all processed foods is highly
recommended . They are always a problem for the body
whethter you are "well" or not . Processed commercial
foods tax all the organs esp the pancreas, send sugar
up , and fog the brain .
Liz Nelson
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:18 am
P.S Also when using vegetables especially for juicing
, only use organic . The current use and strength of
pesticides is going through the roof and so is cancer.
Besides which, organic produce has 3 times more
nutritionin it than conventional , partly because it
is grwon in rotated fields, and soils which are richer
in minerals . Get into growing your own stuff of join
a cooperative farmers association. There is a list of
the "dirty dozen of fruits and veg grown
conventionally which has the highest toxicity level
from pesticides . You can look it up probably on an
Organic web site . The dirty dozen includes gree
apples and cellery . Always buy these dirty dozen
things certified organic.
The other reason to get into vegetables and legumes
is because they increase good moods , and keep you
out of depression and fatigue, unlike boxed and
canned processed foods . Chicken , fish , eggs are
still a good source of protein , but get free range
hormone free stuff. Look into molecularly distilled
fish oil supplements also . These are a good source of
omega 3’s and are safer than fish becasue distilling
purifies the oil of PCB s and mercury . Anything you
can put into your kids which is really healthy will
increase their health .
September 4th, 2006 at 7:28 am
please, please read the web info on the benifical effects
of water extract of cinnamon on diabetes.just soak some stix in water.
i put half a dozen in a pint of water and take the ocasional sip.
and chia seed. chia seed is great for diabetics.
aztec wariors fought wars on about a teaspoon of chia seed a day.
it slows carb and sugar digestion down so less chance of system
shock.
Dennis
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September 4th, 2006 at 8:48 pm
How is doing this working for you? How much of a difference does it
make in your readings?
Is there a link on using water extract of cinnamon? This is starting to
get too confusing, so many variations of cinnamon to use in different
ways - just wondering if the form really makes such a difference.
rachel
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September 5th, 2006 at 2:08 pm
Hi I’m new here and wondering what are normal readings? Isn’t 140 low? I
m not sure how all of this works. Can someone explain how the numbers work?
Thanks, Connie
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make in your readings?
Is there a link on using water extract of cinnamon? This is starting to
get too confusing, so many variations of cinnamon to use in different
ways - just wondering if the form really makes such a difference.
rachel
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September 6th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
I’m making health smootthies for my daughter everyday
. I suppose I could put 1/2 teaspoon of cinnamon in it
too?
Liz
September 7th, 2006 at 12:26 pm
Depends who you listen to:
A person who is healthy and not diabetic, has a glucose reading of 85
(max range 80 to 90) whether it is before during or after meals.
They keep it this way by *storing* insulin in advance of need, so that
it is there to keep the blood sugar normal regardless of any reasonable
meal.
The A1C reading for a such a normal person is about 4.3.
If you listen to the "powers that be" such as the American Diabetes
Association (ADA) you will get filled with all kinds of stories about
what is normal, especially "after meals" (and your health will get
worse) which is why I say - depends what you want to believe.
Research shows that a blood sugar that consistently goes over 110 (even
if only just after meals) WILL cause damage to the body sooner or later.
What *I* prefer to go by, is the above 2 facts:
* That 85 is normal including after meals.
* That over 110 at ANY time, causes damage.
What else whoever calls normal is then immaterial to me. I use Dr
BErnstein’s Diabetes Solution book to help me keep mine as near 85 as
possible, and while I would love it to be 85 after meals, the closest I
have been able to achieve consistently is 110 as a max after meals.
I do this using fast acting insulin (no other drugs) and a very low
carb anti-inflammatory diet combined. I also exercise 20 mins after a
meal with carbs when I am able, and then I need no insulin.
It has REALLY paid off for me - I no longer have any number of diabetes
side effects I had or was developing.
I make enough insulin so I do not need insulin or drugs overnight. (I
would use insulin not other drugs if I needed something.)
So I think each person should choose their blood sugar goal (which will
relate to their health goal) and DECIDE to aim for that in every way
they can.
Namaste,
Irene
September 7th, 2006 at 4:44 pm
May I please strongly recommend the book "Dr BErnstein’s Diabetes
Solution" - there’s a revised 2002 edition.
It really explains what is going on and how to prevent problems or fix
them if you have them. It discusses pros and cons of approaches,
medications, insulin options, diet options, etc and the science behind
it is spot on (for a change). It is excellent for figuring out dosing
and getting glucose under control as quickly as is reasonable for an
individual. I just wish I’d got it sooner myself.
If she’s type 1 then her body does not make ANY insulin, and she will
likely be insulin dependent to some extent. But minimizing it is of
course possible and worth while and that is why I suggest the above
book. The approach in it is similar to that used by my type 1 friend
Marie, who has been type 1 diabetes for 50 years already, diagnosed at
15. She is a wonderful and healthy person, a real testament to looking
after oneself well.
I’ve learned a few tricks from her as well - she learned most of her
approach by trial and error! But really Dr Bernstein is a similarly
healthy type 1 case using much the same approach and he HAS studied it
and helps his patients achieve good health similarly. So there is solid
science behind the recommendations in his book.
You need to think more in terms of protein and fat and less in terms of
carbs at all. Carbs and diabetes do not mix, it’s that simple. We do all
needs some carbs - but they can come from sources like these that do not
spike blood sugar:
spinach, beet greens, (the rest of the family can eat the beets), kale,
collard greens, dandelion greens, kohlrabi and kohlrabi greens,
zucchini, summer squash, mushrooms, asparagus, artichoke, and limited
onion and tomato.
Leave out the dairy, grains, fruit, legumes, and root veg. Avoid soy
(it skews the immune system). Don’t go near artificial sweeteners (they
cause insulin resistance and are toxic); rather use very low sugar items
or sweeten with a little blackstrap molasses, maple syrup or honey. Also
okay is stevia and vegetable glycerine.
Instead of the no-no list, add in lots of walnuts, hazelnuts,
almonds, pumpkin seeds, macadamia nuts, etc etc and nut butters. And
remember that any of the seeds and nuts plus green leaves equals a
complete protein - so have a serving of steamed spinach with a sprinkle
of cheddar, plus mixed seeds and nuts as a healthy, tasty, balanced and
satisfying snack.
[Spinach is very high in Vit K1 which keeps calcium from leaching
out of bones. Hence at 57 I have no osteoporosis despite a no dairy diet.]
Also add low sodium low carb seaweeds like nori for example. Nori
takes time to get used to eating plain as a snack, but it seems to "grow
on you" and I love the stuff now.
Cook everything in extra virgin Olive oil (EVO) and make salad dressings
with EVo and lemon juice. (Bought ones are hydrogenated soy.)
Increase meals of protein and fat instead of traditional carb ones.
For example steak and egg for breakfast, with green peppers, onion and
tomato. There’s quite a lot of carb in onion and tomato.
The above is fine for a not very active teen. The more exercise involved
the more carbs you can add. But eat them in healthy ways right before
and after the exercise, and use a glucometer to figure how many is the
right amount to maintain good blood sugar.
For me for example, I have half a mango before a bicycle ride, and
the rest afterwards. Or I eat 2 dark-chocolate cookies before and some
red grapes afterwards. (Mango, chocolate and red grapes all have good
antioxidant value.)
This is debatable. Other research shows that inflammation at the cell
level, especially of the cell membrane surrounding each cell, is what
causes diseases. Young would claim that pH is behind the inflammation
but that’s not necessarily so. There are many ways inflammation is
caused, and I can not find (with my cell physiology research background)
that acidity as such causes a problem. There are SPECIFIC acids that are
inflammatory - and making an alkaline pH would tend to eliminate all
acids including the inflammatory ones.
But I do not believe that ALL acids are inflammatory. I know that is
not so. If that were true carnivores would always automatically be ill
and they are not. Carnivores have an acid metabolism and humans also are
more or less carnivore depending on blood type (more so for type O less
so for type A etc)
so I am more a believer in eating an anti-inflammatory diet - one
that is anti-inflammatory for ALL kinds of inflammation - not just the
specific inflammatory acids. And this anti-inflammatory approach will
allow beneficial acids, and thus a more well rounded approach to keeping
cell membranes functioning optimally. I DO think the cell membrane
health is basic to all good health, in that if every cell is healthy,
then the body will be healthy. But the cells do NOt need an alkaline
environment to be healthy, and for some people an alkaline environment
is contra-indicated for optimal health. There are also inflammatory
alkaline components that are not great either, although Young is correct
that sick people *usually* have a too-acid metabolism (but it is from
wrong acids; it’s not the acidity per se that is an issue.)
So I am against an "alkaline diet" but I am in favour strongly of an
anti-inflammatory diet. They both have health as a goal, but the
anti-inflammatory approach is more balanced and general, and does not
restrict diet to one that may be too low protein to sustain *long-term*
health, especially for kidneys among other organs.
Yes but they can go too alkaline and interfere with kidney function that
requires acidity. We need balance.
Lots of these veg is good, but also lots of animal protein is necessary.
> they keep sugar down
Vegetables do not keep sugar down unless you choose them carefully to
avoid root veg, pumpkin and the like.
> and promote
> healing . It’s a no brainer.
There aren’t any no-brainers here. The body is very complex in its
metabolism and going off on a tangent that promotes only one pH without
a proper understanding that humans are designed as omnivores and NEED
animal protein and its acid-making tendency - and we are not designed
vegetarian, is not a "no-brainer". What we need is a balance of the
RIGHT acids and the RIGHT alkalis. Wrong acids come from things like
coffee and meat preserved with nitrites and nitrates. Good acids come
from healthy lowfat beef, high fat fish, and eggs. Bad alkalis come from
plants like soy. As with all the other food categories there are good
ones and bad ones. Good fats and bad fats. Good meat and bad meat. Good
acids and bad ones……..
the true aim should be an anti-inflammatory diet that promotes the
health of the cell walls around the cells and the very important and
delicate phospholipid layer around each cell. This layer determines what
nutrients enter and what toxins exit. This is indeed key to health.
> Eliminating all processed foods is highly
> recommended.
I’d agree strongly with that.
Namaste,
Irene
September 8th, 2006 at 5:49 am
Thanks so much Irene, I have so much to learn. Connie
——-Original Message——-
Depends who you listen to:
A person who is healthy and not diabetic, has a glucose reading of 85
(max range 80 to 90) whether it is before during or after meals.
They keep it this way by *storing* insulin in advance of need, so that
it is there to keep the blood sugar normal regardless of any reasonable
meal.
The A1C reading for a such a normal person is about 4.3.
If you listen to the "powers that be" such as the American Diabetes
Association (ADA) you will get filled with all kinds of stories about
what is normal, especially "after meals" (and your health will get
worse) which is why I say - depends what you want to believe.
Research shows that a blood sugar that consistently goes over 110 (even
if only just after meals) WILL cause damage to the body sooner or later.
What *I* prefer to go by, is the above 2 facts:
* That 85 is normal including after meals.
* That over 110 at ANY time, causes damage.
What else whoever calls normal is then immaterial to me. I use Dr
BErnstein’s Diabetes Solution book to help me keep mine as near 85 as
possible, and while I would love it to be 85 after meals, the closest I
have been able to achieve consistently is 110 as a max after meals.
I do this using fast acting insulin (no other drugs) and a very low
carb anti-inflammatory diet combined. I also exercise 20 mins after a
meal with carbs when I am able, and then I need no insulin.
It has REALLY paid off for me - I no longer have any number of diabetes
side effects I had or was developing.
I make enough insulin so I do not need insulin or drugs overnight. (I
would use insulin not other drugs if I needed something.)
So I think each person should choose their blood sugar goal (which will
relate to their health goal) and DECIDE to aim for that in every way
they can.
Namaste,
Irene
–
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
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September 9th, 2006 at 1:11 pm
THanks Irene, this is very useful as is this whole
site for me as I try to work out my daughters
situation . (Type 1 since 1 month) . Now that you have
said 80 - 90 is normal for a nondiabetic , I am
wondering if my other daughter has a problem . Her
sister tested her blood sugar while she was in
hospital and it was 136 ! Does that mean my older
daughter who has put on a lot of wieght in the last
few months , (we thought due to an injury which took
her out of her rigorous school sport/ and training )
has a diabetic situation?
liz nelson
September 9th, 2006 at 4:40 pm
Thanks Irene ,
I will pick up the Bernstein book.
Don’t worry I am aware that there is a need for
balance . I am not anti meat and fats though I think
it all has to be free range , hormone free etc
Actually I am the only type "O" in the family and I
know I need meat , the children are all As, or ABs
like Eleanore (with type 1). Perhaps they need less.
But I also believe that i’s not just a case of
alkalinity with the vegetables ; it’s about the
healing and supportive regenerative properties plants
naturally have ( if they are organic anyway). It’s the
chloraphyll, the enzymes , minerals, vitamins ,
antioxidents of plant life generally and green foods
in particular, especially grasses , that supports and
heals the functions in our bodies. This is as
important if not more than the alkaline issue and is
part of the alkaline issue .Generally it seems that
in a sickness crisis , the body needs an infusion of
healing foods , and these healing foods will also
shift the blood acidity of the body from acid to
alkaline , especially when less helpful more
acidifying foods are removed or at least reduced
,like processed foods, gluten , dairy , coffee,
alcohol , cigarettes , medications or whatever .
Thanks for the info, Liz Nelson
September 10th, 2006 at 4:20 am
Also, Irene about the diabetes type 1 meaning there
is no insulin being produced by the body . When she
was diagnozed they said she probably only had about
20% function . Tthat was a month ago .
I have heard some accounts that if "caught" early ,
high doses of niacinamide , helps revive the insulin
producing parts of the pancreas, so I don’t want to
give up hope , that a combination of dietary help and
supplements can reverse the situation , or at the very
least reduce the dependence on insulin .
If you have heard of wheat grass, you know for eg
that wheat grass juicing alone can reverse cancer ,
and advanced gangrene, perhaps it can combat auto
immune problems too. Why not , esp if you also remove
the irritants which may have set of the auto immune
system?
WHeat grass and barley grass, which may be even
more powerful , happens to be a complete food, high in
chlorophyll which is close to blood haemoglobin in
structure . It is so complete that athletes and
marathoners have also used it as a sole source of
food while training for their sport to enhance their
strength and endurance .
Liz
September 11th, 2006 at 10:32 am
Hi Liz,
Been out of town, so catching up on all the comments on the site.
From what I am seeing you seem to be going at this issue in a very
healthy way.
I thought you might be interested to know that Dr Ann Wigmore called
wheatgrass juice "natural insulin." Dr Pavlo Airola believed that
green beans were a natural form of insulin. In the Philipines they
have found that the leaves of the banaba plant (not banana) are a
natural form of insulin. In India, Neem and Bitter Melon have shown
an effect of lowering blood sugar without the prescence of insulin.
They also have found that Gymnema Sylvestre has a regenerative effect
on the pancreas beta cells.
All the best,
Brock
September 11th, 2006 at 7:57 pm
I find it very interesting that so many people can relate an emotional
trauma to the time prior to being diagnosed with diabetes. I think I
will create a poll to see what are group precentages are.
Any thoughts on what is going on?
Thanks,
Brock
September 12th, 2006 at 4:02 am
Liz,
I believe one of the WORST problems with type 1 diabetes is simply
that people are told by their doctors: "You have type 1 diabetes and
this is Not Curable and You Must be On Insulin for the rest of your
life…and your pancreas does not produce enough insulin and if you
don’t take insulin….YOU WILL DIE!"
Our minds are more powerful than any absolutes about what is and what
is not possible. When we buy into the "incurable" BS, we have in
essence lost. If your daughter read about Sergei Boutenko was
diagnosed as type 1 and never took an insulin shot, changed his diet,
and is a healthy, happy vibrant young man over 10 years later, she
will understand their is another possibility. I’m glad to see you
have the "PH miracle for diabetes", this also shows the possibilities
for living drug and insulin free.
In David Wolfe’s book, "The Sunfood Diet Success System," he also
relates the story of a young lady who was a type 1, insulin dependant
diabetic who, after 7 months of a clean diet, no longer needed drugs.
She was coached by Dr Bernarr, who I have spoke with. He told me he
has had at least a dozen people he has worked with who got off of insulin.
A resource you should check out is The Creative Health Institute in
Michigan. They immerse you in a 2 week program and many miraculous
stories come out of that place. If feasible, your daughter and you
could stay on as volunteers after your stay to make the diet
transition easier. If I could hire a raw chef, I would. Everything
is easier when you work with and learn from an expert.
All the best,
Brock
PS. I forgot to mention, I am male, am married, have 2 children, am 39
and turned (or was diagnosed as) type 1 diabetic at 19 years old.
PSS. The idea of "normal insulin levels" is also debatable. The
doctor who was in the Biosphere found that the longest lived people
had very low levels of insulin in their bodies. Possibly this is
because they were better balanced than most and their bodies utilized
other means of regulating blood sugar. This doctor also noted that by
eating 30% less, the bodies health and energy INCREASES dramatically.
Possible this is why all these raw food vegans cure themselves of
diabetes, they are relieving some stress on the body.
September 12th, 2006 at 2:34 pm
connie wrote:
> Thanks so much Irene, I have so much to learn. Connie
You’re welcome - you’ll find you pick it up quite quickly, just take it
September 13th, 2006 at 5:27 pm
Dear Liz,
Don’t assume it from a
In my view:
You need to test it under normal conditions to know what the true
situation is. Under stress, the body often makes extra sugar so a
hospital stay suggests stress. I’d check under more normal conditions to
see if there is any diabetic tendency
hospital reading - but don’t ignore it either - I would suggest a
re-check under less stressful conditions.
It doesn’t hurt to eat healthy when there is diabetes in the family
anyway of course. A diabetic diet is a healthy one for anyone.
Namaste,
Irene
September 14th, 2006 at 3:18 pm
i’ve heard a ton of antecdotal evidence about people ignoring
their dr’s advice on diabetes and living to be x-y-or z amount
of years old anyway. Hmph. i’ve also heard a testimonial from
a woman who claims that praying to her ($600) tammy faye baker doll
cured her of cancer.
i just think of how much longer they could have stayed around
if they’d had a little better sense.
if you don’t trust your dr, find another one. some are better than others.
but for heaven sake don’t trust antecdotal evidence alone on this subject.
remember you are reading the exceptions, not necessairily the norms.
doing ‘whatever’ might cure diabetes, but it’s probably wiser to place your
bet on treatment and control and learning to live with it.
regards,
Dennis
I believe one of the WORST problems with type 1 diabetes is simply
that people are told by their doctors: "You have type 1 diabetes and
this is Not Curable and You Must be On Insulin for the rest of your
life…and your pancreas does not produce enough insulin and if you
don’t take insulin….YOU WILL DIE!"
Our minds are more powerful than any absolutes about what is and what
is not possible. When we buy into the "incurable" BS, we have in
essence lost. If your daughter read about Sergei Boutenko was
diagnosed as type 1 and never took an insulin shot, changed his diet,
and is a healthy, happy vibrant young man over 10 years later, she
will understand their is another possibility. I’m glad to see you
have the "PH miracle for diabetes", this also shows the possibilities
for living drug and insulin free.
In David Wolfe’s book, "The Sunfood Diet Success System," he also
relates the story of a young lady who was a type 1, insulin dependant
diabetic who, after 7 months of a clean diet, no longer needed drugs.
She was coached by Dr Bernarr, who I have spoke with. He told me he
has had at least a dozen people he has worked with who got off of insulin.
A resource you should check out is The Creative Health Institute in
Michigan. They immerse you in a 2 week program and many miraculous
stories come out of that place. If feasible, your daughter and you
could stay on as volunteers after your stay to make the diet
transition easier. If I could hire a raw chef, I would. Everything
is easier when you work with and learn from an expert.
All the best,
Brock
PS. I forgot to mention, I am male, am married, have 2 children, am 39
and turned (or was diagnosed as) type 1 diabetic at 19 years old.
PSS. The idea of "normal insulin levels" is also debatable. The
doctor who was in the Biosphere found that the longest lived people
had very low levels of insulin in their bodies. Possibly this is
because they were better balanced than most and their bodies utilized
other means of regulating blood sugar. This doctor also noted that by
eating 30% less, the bodies health and energy INCREASES dramatically.
Possible this is why all these raw food vegans cure themselves of
diabetes, they are relieving some stress on the body.
By reading the messages of this group you agree to hold yourself FULLY
responsible FOR yourself.
Have a nice day !
SPONSORED LINKS
Diabetes supplies Diabetes test strips Diabetes Diabetes testing
supply Diabetes product Diabetes treatment
Visit your group "diabetescured" on the web.
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September 16th, 2006 at 5:30 am
Brock, I totally agree. This is what I know in my
heart , and I can’t accept the establishment line for
my daughter , and I don’t want her to accept it either
. It has been a really hard month , persisting with my
belief and knowledge about healing whilst watching her
go through acceptance/denial /evasion / hopelessness
about "THE DIAGNOSIS" which as you say ,and I agree is
totally IRRELEVANT ASWELL AS ERRONEOUS , and sucks all
your energy out.
I knew that I would find confirmation out there that
I was not the only one thinking like this . Your
letters have been great . I will check out that
Michigan place . Do You know where I can locate this
Dr. Bernarr?
Thanks again , Liz Nelson
September 18th, 2006 at 6:40 pm
It’s not always anecdotal in that it is science based, unlike what the
doctors are recommending which is grain-company based.
The food pyramid is a political thing after all, sponsored by General
mills and Monsanto - grain growers. It’s nothing to do with health or
science but it is behind the American Diabetes Assoc recommendations.
the ADA recommendations have a statistical record of INCREASING diabetes
complications and INCREASING the number of diabetics diagnosed. That’s
hardly a recommendation for their approach! Yet that is the approach ALL
doctors are taught and expected to use.
The real science is in books like Dr Bernstein’s Diabetes Solution, Dr
PErricone’s anti-inflammatory research results etc., THIS is truly
science based, as opposed to politically based.
We as consumers need to remove the blinkers that we were told to wear -
the ones that say doctors are invincible and have all the answers. the
results prove otherwise.
If she was cured, why does it bother you how it occurred?
Mind over matter has been proven to overcome cancer in many ways already.
> i just think of how much longer they could have stayed around
> if they’d had a little better sense.
No you don’t. You are assuming without any evidence that they would stay
around longer with doctors in the picture. the reverse is the case for
diabetes and most chronic diseases. (Doctors are good at other things,
not chronic diseases.) My grandmother and her 13 siblings who used
homeopathy and not doctors, lived to an average age of 105. How much
longer did you want THEM to live then?
> if you don’t trust your dr, find another one. some are better than others.
I agree with the principle of having a good doctor from whom to get
opinions. But I disagree with the idea of believing the opinions
blindly. an individual choice is more appropriate - one which uses ALL
the available information and opinions - not only a doctor’s well meant
but off track ideas. The choice needs to make scientific sense and the
results from a chosen approach need to hold up over time - which ADA
recommendations from ANY doctors do not:-))
It’s the fact that ADA recommendations have PROVEN to cause harm (by
their own statistics!), that make it necessary and wise to look at other
options. Unless yo have a Doctor like Perricone, Bernstein, Young etc,
you are not so wise to just follow a doctor blindly. THEIR bad results
are not just anecdotal!
> but for heaven sake don’t trust antecdotal evidence alone on this subject.
> remember you are reading the exceptions, not necessairily the norms.
You are assuming that these are exceptions. But they are not. ALL the
folks using scinece-based NON-conventional approach are getting well,
not just a few exceptions.
Those who use Dr BErnstein’s approach for example number thousands, and
they all benefit. It’s not "just anecdotal" as you are suggesting.
Those who use homeopathy number millions, also not "just anecdotal".
It’s however the science behind the methods that is appropriate to look
at. Your above example is definitely anecdotal - the one imagining the
cancer away - but that has happened countless times, not just once, and
it will be right for some people - probably those who believe it is
right. You can’t assume something is ineffective because it is not how
you expect it to look based on your environment and upbringing.
> doing ‘whatever’ might cure diabetes, but it’s probably wiser to place
> your bet on treatment and control and learning to live with it.
"Learning to live with it" has to be an aspect of any current day - but
if you do not aim to repair it at a future time, you never will!
It’s like trying to get a bullseye when you don’t look towards the
target:-))) Won’t happen.
To succeed in getting rid of diabetes, you actually have to work at
doing just that:-)))
I would never advise someone to "just live with it" rather than taking
action towards achieving an improved situation.
If you don’t look for an improvement you will never find it:-)
As it says in my tagline "Man who say it cannot be done should not
interrupt one doing it."
Namaste,
Irene
September 20th, 2006 at 10:07 am
i’ve been wrong before.
maybe doctors DO go to medical school
so they can Lie, and Kill, and Loot.
they are mostly republicans, after all.
just kidding.
i do not think dr’s are omnipotent or even
necessairily right all the time.
they are just not as Totally Useless as some
believe.
105. wow. that’s a respectable run by anybody’s
standards. it’s as much a tribute to genetics as to
avoiding allopathy in all forms. genetically speaking,
you have fantastic propsects for prolonged duration.
i listen carefully to my dr’s advice on the importance
of getting enough exercise and i take the metformin
she gives me and flush them. i’m working toward a
chia gel based nutrient substance, flavourable by what
ever is consistent with a raw foods diet, that keeps my l
numbers in the 70’s and 80’s.
i’m not a total dope.
very often.
ish.
Dennis
It’s not always anecdotal in that it is science based, unlike what the
doctors are recommending which is grain-company based.
The food pyramid is a political thing after all, sponsored by General
mills and Monsanto - grain growers. It’s nothing to do with health or
science but it is behind the American Diabetes Assoc recommendations.
the ADA recommendations have a statistical record of INCREASING diabetes
complications and INCREASING the number of diabetics diagnosed. That’s
hardly a recommendation for their approach! Yet that is the approach ALL
doctors are taught and expected to use.
The real science is in books like Dr Bernstein’s Diabetes Solution, Dr
PErricone’s anti-inflammatory research results etc., THIS is truly
science based, as opposed to politically based.
We as consumers need to remove the blinkers that we were told to wear -
the ones that say doctors are invincible and have all the answers. the
results prove otherwise.
If she was cured, why does it bother you how it occurred?
Mind over matter has been proven to overcome cancer in many ways already.
> i just think of how much longer they could have stayed around
> if they’d had a little better sense.
No you don’t. You are assuming without any evidence that they would stay
around longer with doctors in the picture. the reverse is the case for
diabetes and most chronic diseases. (Doctors are good at other things,
not chronic diseases.) My grandmother and her 13 siblings who used
homeopathy and not doctors, lived to an average age of 105. How much
longer did you want THEM to live then?
> if you don’t trust your dr, find another one. some are better than others.
I agree with the principle of having a good doctor from whom to get
opinions. But I disagree with the idea of believing the opinions
blindly. an individual choice is more appropriate - one which uses ALL
the available information and opinions - not only a doctor’s well meant
but off track ideas. The choice needs to make scientific sense and the
results from a chosen approach need to hold up over time - which ADA
recommendations from ANY doctors do not:-))
It’s the fact that ADA recommendations have PROVEN to cause harm (by
their own statistics!), that make it necessary and wise to look at other
options. Unless yo have a Doctor like Perricone, Bernstein, Young etc,
you are not so wise to just follow a doctor blindly. THEIR bad results
are not just anecdotal!
> but for heaven sake don’t trust antecdotal evidence alone on this subject.
> remember you are reading the exceptions, not necessairily the norms.
You are assuming that these are exceptions. But they are not. ALL the
folks using scinece-based NON-conventional approach are getting well,
not just a few exceptions.
Those who use Dr BErnstein’s approach for example number thousands, and
they all benefit. It’s not "just anecdotal" as you are suggesting.
Those who use homeopathy number millions, also not "just anecdotal".
It’s however the science behind the methods that is appropriate to look
at. Your above example is definitely anecdotal - the one imagining the
cancer away - but that has happened countless times, not just once, and
it will be right for some people - probably those who believe it is
right. You can’t assume something is ineffective because it is not how
you expect it to look based on your environment and upbringing.
> doing ‘whatever’ might cure diabetes, but it’s probably wiser to place
> your bet on treatment and control and learning to live with it.
"Learning to live with it" has to be an aspect of any current day - but
if you do not aim to repair it at a future time, you never will!
It’s like trying to get a bullseye when you don’t look towards the
target:-))) Won’t happen.
To succeed in getting rid of diabetes, you actually have to work at
doing just that:-)))
I would never advise someone to "just live with it" rather than taking
action towards achieving an improved situation.
If you don’t look for an improvement you will never find it:-)
As it says in my tagline "Man who say it cannot be done should not
interrupt one doing it."
Namaste,
Irene
–
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
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September 21st, 2006 at 10:06 pm
I’d like to think so, but it was only the generation using homeopathy
that had those statistics. Well maybe earlier ones but I have no data.
My gran’s group of 13 ate a lot of meat which they farmed themselves. My
dad’s generation was anti homeopathy thanks to him (it failed to do as
he wanted at age 14 or some such) and while they had a similar diet of
own-farmed meat and produce they all died at between 78 and 84.
I came upon homeopathy late in life as a result of the
anti-homeopathy attitude of my dad, and my health sucks at 57.
Oh I see, aren’t you afraid of contaminating the city sewer:-))
I’m actually honest with my current doc, she knows better than to offer
me a Rx for anything I won’t use. I have only Rxs for potassium,
magnesium and Novolog. I can’t do that with the specialists…..
> i’m working toward a
> chia gel
Educate me here please - what is chia gel?
Sounds intertesting, is it working to do that?
:0-))
I am not happy in the 70s, or at least not below 78. My best compromise
seems to be around 84-89 probably due to a combination of factors: Blood
pressure not high (102/78) and 6 foot 3 height to pump to; and kidneys
that toss out K and Mg instead of Na so that my muscles cave in if I am
late or miss a dose. Hypoglycemia with hypokalemia makes one quite
collapsible:-))
Namaste,
Irene
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:50 pm
I’d like to think so, but it was only the generation using homeopathy
that had those statistics. Well maybe earlier ones but I have no data.
My gran’s group of 13 ate a lot of meat which they farmed themselves. My
dad’s generation was anti homeopathy thanks to him (it failed to do as
he wanted at age 14 or some such) and while they had a similar diet of
own-farmed meat and produce they all died at between 78 and 84.
I came upon homeopathy late in life as a result of the
anti-homeopathy attitude of my dad, and my health sucks at 57.
Oh I see, aren’t you afraid of contaminating the city sewer:-))
I’m actually honest with my current doc, she knows better than to offer
me a Rx for anything I won’t use. I have only Rxs for potassium,
magnesium and Novolog. I can’t do that with the specialists…..
> i’m working toward a
> chia gel
Educate me here please - what is chia gel?
Sounds intertesting, is it working to do that?
:0-))
I am not happy in the 70s, or at least not below 78. My best compromise
seems to be around 84-89 probably due to a combination of factors: Blood
pressure not high (102/78) and 6 foot 3 height to pump to; and kidneys
that toss out K and Mg instead of Na so that my muscles cave in if I am
late or miss a dose. Hypoglycemia with hypokalemia makes one quite
collapsible:-))
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
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By reading the messages of this group you agree to hold yourself FULLY
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October 6th, 2006 at 9:32 am
Hi Michael,
Welcome to the group!
To answer your question: Yes, I am insulin dependant.
The lowest insulin levels that I have needed have coincided with a
vegan diet, and the elimanation of grain four products.
At times I have gone vegan, all raw as well, but I have found eating
this way tough to say the least. The longest I have strictly
maintained this (no cooked food) was about a month. During this time
my insulin requirements were 85-90% less than previously needed with
cooked foods.
I believe it takes about 6 months to 1 year of very strict eating,
exercising and general stress relief to cause a type 1 diabetic to go
back to non-diabetic status. (certain herbs might help expedite the
process) The complete weaning off of insulin also seems to be an
issue because the final 10%-15% insulin is hard to eliminate. Dr
Bernarr advocates water fasting at this point to allow the body to
reset itself. He also advocates all raw, vegan, much anaerobic
exercise and much rest during the healing process. He does say there
is no set amount of time, all people being different.
All the best,
Brock
PS. For the first 11 years of my type 1 diabetic condition, I
exercised almost always 6 days per week with both strength and aerobic
exercise. During this time I rarely had high blood sugar and I pretty
much ate anything I wanted. In fact I was always chasing low blood
sugar with more food. About 4 years after ending this rigorous
exercise regimen, I began to experience high blood sugar more
regularly in the morning or spikes at times during the day. Amazing
that it took 4 years to catch up. Bernstein and Bernaar both advocate
anaerobic exercise (sugar burning like weight lifting, sprinting,
etc). Young advocates aerobic exclusively because the anerobic leaves
a acidic waste product in the body.
October 8th, 2006 at 5:34 am
Liz,
He is unique to say the least, but definitely a sincere guy. His
ideas are very contradictory to conventional thought, even some
"natural healing" conventional thought.
All the best,
Brock
November 5th, 2006 at 11:15 am
Brock , I looked at Bernaars site . Very Interesting
. I liked his thing on healing all diseases from that
list , which pretty much describes the whole concept
of healing reactions.
I picked up Bernsteins book from Barnes and Nobles ,
and decided to buy it . I don’t know if you were one
of the ones who recommended it .
If you were I have some questions /thoughts , you
might have some responses to.
He says that one has to reduce insulin when about to
embark on his low carb/ low sugar inducing carb, diet
. OK. Makes sense. (and that prior to starting ,it’s
essential to keep good records of carbs, BS and
insulin and excercise. O.K. ) This would all be
necessary before puting my daughter in any "program".
If I take my daughter off to the Creative HEalth
Institute(the Ann Wigmore place in Michigan) and her
doctor knows that she is going to be "veging" for two
weeks , the doc should be able to set her Lantus (24
hr shot)accordingly and her novolog accordingly,
right? I would hope so . There is no medical
supervision at the Institute.
The only issue We may have with the Creative Health
Institute is that it does seem to mainly deal with
cancer, and therefore the issue of food (juices and
smoothies)inducing sugar highs may not be as
scrutinized as it could be. Even tho they do have a
handful of diabetics coming through every year of both
types , they say totally eliminating insulin is still
an issue, whereas Dr Bernstein says it needn’t be.
They put fruit in the vegie smoothies because they are
more palatable that way , while Bernstein advises no
fruit, period , it’s just too sugary and one can get
all the vitamins through veg.
If we can customize our own vegetable smoothies with
stevia for sweetness then it would be O>K. The
concern I have is that since smoothies by nature are
processed , they are going to be more sugar inducing
for the blood than whole unprocessed veg, and therefor
the therapeutic effect of eating alot of veg would be
countered by the fact that it would still demand
insulin , if it was in the form of a smoothie.
The institute does recommennd the Vitamix which
retains the fiber , over straight juicers , and fiber
is really necessary to slow the rate of sugar going
into the blood.
But overall maybe the Institute is not really as
logically geared as it could be towards diabetes
recovery . I still need to talk to them about these
details . Bernstein does not even mention smoothies as
far as I can see, perhaps because of this . He does
say to stay away from all juices.
On sugar being in the blood when no eating is
taking place ,he observes the following: Bernstein
(type1)says he himself takes no insulin as such ,
but that if he "fasted" (my words ) for 18 hours he
would take a slow acting insulin, becasue otherwise ,
as I understand it , his blood sugar would be up in
the morning , (The Dawn Phenomenon), because he says
the liver would deactivate the circulating insulin .
(Someone else said recently on this board that the
liver actually throws out sugar during "fasting"
because it tries to provide the body with fuel/sugar
at that time ,ie if you go more than 3/4hours without
new food/fuel/a meal- another interpretation for dawn
phenomenon? )
What are your takes /experiences with any of this.
Could you ever imagine yourself to be insulin free.
Bernstein lives in Mamaronek < Ny , not tooo far from
me in Jersey.
I think I will see if I can communicate with him .
Maybe he can also recommend a
nutritionist/endochrinologist who is working on the
same lines as himself , for my daughter.
Liz
November 10th, 2006 at 4:50 pm
Hi Liz,
My take on CHI is that they are a raw foods lifestyle organization.
They utilize high amounts of wheat grass juice, sprouts, and all types
of raw fruits and vegetables. Not all raw fruits/smoothies would be
great for a type 1 diabetic’s blood sugar. So these I would
definitely limit or avoid completely in the beginning. The longer on
the raw veg diet, the more stabilized the blood sugar begins to be.
At this point the needs for insulin are really low and sometimes are
not needed by the patient any more. You definitely would need to have
your physician take a look at a daily menu to determine (guess)
insulin needs. It will change while you are their I am betting.
The Bouytenko boy was pretty much eating any type of fruit or
vegetable as long as it was raw. It took a few months for his blood
sugar to stabilize according to their book. Would it have been faster
without the sweet fruits? I don’t know, they believe the body craves
what it needs. In his case he craved mangoes, which Bernard Jensen
confirmed would help his pancreas heal. (I also crave mangoes!)
Dr Bernstein would be a great resource/team member for you. He knows
how to keep the numbers in line and how to use the least amount of
insulin which is very important in the long run. As far as ending
insulin use, I don’t know that he is there yet with Type 1’s, he
certainly is with type 2’s.
Another resource to consider is Dr Young’s place. He does 1 week
retreats where he and his staff analyze your blood and determine the
apprpriate course of action for you and for your daughter. Because of
his success with getting type 1’s off of insulin, he might he the best
resource, but the whole cure might not happen in a week. (but it
might! dont want to negate the possibilites) He also would be able to
advise how to adjust food intake and suggest insulin reduction
strategies.
If you have the time and resources, I suggest you go for it and
immerse yourself and your daughter in healing. By taking yourself
away from the day to day stuff, you can really focus in a healing. Dr
Schulze tells people in his "incurables" program, that their
occupation for the next 30 or 60 or 90 days is healing. He advises to
take a leave of absence from work, school, whatever and get to the
business of healing. I think this is very wise and comes from working
with thousands of patients who were told they were "incurable."
Brock