My take on CHI is that they are a raw foods lifestyle organization.
They utilize high amounts of wheat grass juice, sprouts, and all types
of raw fruits and vegetables. Not all raw fruits/smoothies would be
great for a type 1 diabetic’s blood sugar. So these I would
definitely limit or avoid completely in the beginning. The longer on
the raw veg diet, the more stabilized the blood sugar begins to be.
At this point the needs for insulin are really low and sometimes are
not needed by the patient any more. You definitely would need to have
your physician take a look at a daily menu to determine (guess)
insulin needs. It will change while you are their I am betting.

The Bouytenko boy was pretty much eating any type of fruit or
vegetable as long as it was raw. It took a few months for his blood

sugar to stabilize according to their book. Would it have been faster
without the sweet fruits? I don’t know, they believe the body craves
what it needs. In his case he craved mangoes, which Bernard Jensen
confirmed would help his pancreas heal. (I also crave mangoes!)

Dr Bernstein would be a great resource/team member for you. He knows
how to keep the numbers in line and how to use the least amount of
insulin which is very important in the long run. As far as ending
insulin use, I don’t know that he is there yet with Type 1’s, he
certainly is with type 2’s.

Another resource to consider is Dr Young’s place. He does 1 week
retreats where he and his staff analyze your blood and determine the
apprpriate course of action for you and for your daughter. Because of
his success with getting type 1’s off of insulin, he might he the best
resource, but the whole cure might not happen in a week. (but it
might! dont want to negate the possibilites) He also would be able to
advise how to adjust food intake and suggest insulin reduction
strategies.

If you have the time and resources, I suggest you go for it and
immerse yourself and your daughter in healing. By taking yourself
away from the day to day stuff, you can really focus in a healing. Dr
Schulze tells people in his "incurables" program, that their
occupation for the next 30 or 60 or 90 days is healing. He advises to
take a leave of absence from work, school, whatever and get to the
business of healing. I think this is very wise and comes from working
with thousands of patients who were told they were "incurable."

Brock

He is unique to say the least, but definitely a sincere guy. His
ideas are very contradictory to conventional thought, even some
"natural healing" conventional thought.

All the best,

Brock

Welcome to the group!

To answer your question: Yes, I am insulin dependant.

The lowest insulin levels that I have needed have coincided with a
vegan diet, and the elimanation of grain four products.

At times I have gone vegan, all raw as well, but I have found eating
this way tough to say the least. The longest I have strictly
maintained this (no cooked food) was about a month. During this time
my insulin requirements were 85-90% less than previously needed with
cooked foods.

I believe it takes about 6 months to 1 year of very strict eating,
exercising and general stress relief to cause a type 1 diabetic to go
back to non-diabetic status. (certain herbs might help expedite the
process) The complete weaning off of insulin also seems to be an
issue because the final 10%-15% insulin is hard to eliminate. Dr
Bernarr advocates water fasting at this point to allow the body to
reset itself. He also advocates all raw, vegan, much anaerobic
exercise and much rest during the healing process. He does say there
is no set amount of time, all people being different.

All the best,

Brock

PS. For the first 11 years of my type 1 diabetic condition, I
exercised almost always 6 days per week with both strength and aerobic
exercise. During this time I rarely had high blood sugar and I pretty
much ate anything I wanted. In fact I was always chasing low blood
sugar with more food. About 4 years after ending this rigorous
exercise regimen, I began to experience high blood sugar more
regularly in the morning or spikes at times during the day. Amazing
that it took 4 years to catch up. Bernstein and Bernaar both advocate
anaerobic exercise (sugar burning like weight lifting, sprinting,
etc). Young advocates aerobic exclusively because the anerobic leaves
a acidic waste product in the body.

Oh I see, aren’t you afraid of contaminating the city sewer:-))
I’m actually honest with my current doc, she knows better than to offer
me a Rx for anything I won’t use. I have only Rxs for potassium,
magnesium and Novolog. I can’t do that with the specialists…..

> i’m working toward a

> chia gel

Educate me here please - what is chia gel?

Sounds intertesting, is it working to do that?

:0-))

I am not happy in the 70s, or at least not below 78. My best compromise
seems to be around 84-89 probably due to a combination of factors: Blood
pressure not high (102/78) and 6 foot 3 height to pump to; and kidneys
that toss out K and Mg instead of Na so that my muscles cave in if I am
late or miss a dose. Hypoglycemia with hypokalemia makes one quite
collapsible:-))

Namaste,
Irene
–
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

By reading the messages of this group you agree to hold yourself FULLY
responsible FOR yourself.
Have a nice day !

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Oh I see, aren’t you afraid of contaminating the city sewer:-))
I’m actually honest with my current doc, she knows better than to offer
me a Rx for anything I won’t use. I have only Rxs for potassium,
magnesium and Novolog. I can’t do that with the specialists…..

> i’m working toward a

> chia gel

Educate me here please - what is chia gel?

Sounds intertesting, is it working to do that?

:0-))

I am not happy in the 70s, or at least not below 78. My best compromise
seems to be around 84-89 probably due to a combination of factors: Blood
pressure not high (102/78) and 6 foot 3 height to pump to; and kidneys
that toss out K and Mg instead of Na so that my muscles cave in if I am
late or miss a dose. Hypoglycemia with hypokalemia makes one quite
collapsible:-))

Namaste,
Irene

It’s not always anecdotal in that it is science based, unlike what the
doctors are recommending which is grain-company based.

The food pyramid is a political thing after all, sponsored by General
mills and Monsanto - grain growers. It’s nothing to do with health or
science but it is behind the American Diabetes Assoc recommendations.
the ADA recommendations have a statistical record of INCREASING diabetes
complications and INCREASING the number of diabetics diagnosed. That’s
hardly a recommendation for their approach! Yet that is the approach ALL
doctors are taught and expected to use.

The real science is in books like Dr Bernstein’s Diabetes Solution, Dr
PErricone’s anti-inflammatory research results etc., THIS is truly
science based, as opposed to politically based.

We as consumers need to remove the blinkers that we were told to wear -
the ones that say doctors are invincible and have all the answers. the
results prove otherwise.

If she was cured, why does it bother you how it occurred?
Mind over matter has been proven to overcome cancer in many ways already.

> i just think of how much longer they could have stayed around
> if they’d had a little better sense.

No you don’t. You are assuming without any evidence that they would stay
around longer with doctors in the picture. the reverse is the case for
diabetes and most chronic diseases. (Doctors are good at other things,
not chronic diseases.) My grandmother and her 13 siblings who used
homeopathy and not doctors, lived to an average age of 105. How much
longer did you want THEM to live then?

> if you don’t trust your dr, find another one. some are better than others.

I agree with the principle of having a good doctor from whom to get
opinions. But I disagree with the idea of believing the opinions
blindly. an individual choice is more appropriate - one which uses ALL
the available information and opinions - not only a doctor’s well meant
but off track ideas. The choice needs to make scientific sense and the
results from a chosen approach need to hold up over time - which ADA
recommendations from ANY doctors do not:-))

It’s the fact that ADA recommendations have PROVEN to cause harm (by
their own statistics!), that make it necessary and wise to look at other
options. Unless yo have a Doctor like Perricone, Bernstein, Young etc,
you are not so wise to just follow a doctor blindly. THEIR bad results
are not just anecdotal!

> but for heaven sake don’t trust antecdotal evidence alone on this subject.
> remember you are reading the exceptions, not necessairily the norms.

You are assuming that these are exceptions. But they are not. ALL the
folks using scinece-based NON-conventional approach are getting well,
not just a few exceptions.
Those who use Dr BErnstein’s approach for example number thousands, and
they all benefit. It’s not "just anecdotal" as you are suggesting.
Those who use homeopathy number millions, also not "just anecdotal".

It’s however the science behind the methods that is appropriate to look
at. Your above example is definitely anecdotal - the one imagining the
cancer away - but that has happened countless times, not just once, and
it will be right for some people - probably those who believe it is
right. You can’t assume something is ineffective because it is not how
you expect it to look based on your environment and upbringing.

> doing ‘whatever’ might cure diabetes, but it’s probably wiser to place
> your bet on treatment and control and learning to live with it.

"Learning to live with it" has to be an aspect of any current day - but
if you do not aim to repair it at a future time, you never will!
It’s like trying to get a bullseye when you don’t look towards the
target:-))) Won’t happen.
To succeed in getting rid of diabetes, you actually have to work at
doing just that:-)))
I would never advise someone to "just live with it" rather than taking
action towards achieving an improved situation.

If you don’t look for an improvement you will never find it:-)
As it says in my tagline "Man who say it cannot be done should not
interrupt one doing it."

Namaste,
Irene
–
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

By reading the messages of this group you agree to hold yourself FULLY
responsible FOR yourself.
Have a nice day !

SPONSORED LINKS
Diabetes supplies Diabetes test strips Diabetes Diabetes testing
supply Diabetes product Diabetes treatment

Visit your group "diabetescured" on the web.

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The food pyramid is a political thing after all, sponsored by General
mills and Monsanto - grain growers. It’s nothing to do with health or
science but it is behind the American Diabetes Assoc recommendations.
the ADA recommendations have a statistical record of INCREASING diabetes
complications and INCREASING the number of diabetics diagnosed. That’s
hardly a recommendation for their approach! Yet that is the approach ALL
doctors are taught and expected to use.

The real science is in books like Dr Bernstein’s Diabetes Solution, Dr
PErricone’s anti-inflammatory research results etc., THIS is truly
science based, as opposed to politically based.

We as consumers need to remove the blinkers that we were told to wear -
the ones that say doctors are invincible and have all the answers. the
results prove otherwise.

If she was cured, why does it bother you how it occurred?
Mind over matter has been proven to overcome cancer in many ways already.

> i just think of how much longer they could have stayed around
> if they’d had a little better sense.

No you don’t. You are assuming without any evidence that they would stay
around longer with doctors in the picture. the reverse is the case for
diabetes and most chronic diseases. (Doctors are good at other things,
not chronic diseases.) My grandmother and her 13 siblings who used
homeopathy and not doctors, lived to an average age of 105. How much
longer did you want THEM to live then?

> if you don’t trust your dr, find another one. some are better than others.

I agree with the principle of having a good doctor from whom to get
opinions. But I disagree with the idea of believing the opinions
blindly. an individual choice is more appropriate - one which uses ALL
the available information and opinions - not only a doctor’s well meant
but off track ideas. The choice needs to make scientific sense and the
results from a chosen approach need to hold up over time - which ADA
recommendations from ANY doctors do not:-))

It’s the fact that ADA recommendations have PROVEN to cause harm (by
their own statistics!), that make it necessary and wise to look at other
options. Unless yo have a Doctor like Perricone, Bernstein, Young etc,
you are not so wise to just follow a doctor blindly. THEIR bad results
are not just anecdotal!

> but for heaven sake don’t trust antecdotal evidence alone on this subject.
> remember you are reading the exceptions, not necessairily the norms.

You are assuming that these are exceptions. But they are not. ALL the
folks using scinece-based NON-conventional approach are getting well,
not just a few exceptions.
Those who use Dr BErnstein’s approach for example number thousands, and
they all benefit. It’s not "just anecdotal" as you are suggesting.
Those who use homeopathy number millions, also not "just anecdotal".

It’s however the science behind the methods that is appropriate to look
at. Your above example is definitely anecdotal - the one imagining the
cancer away - but that has happened countless times, not just once, and
it will be right for some people - probably those who believe it is
right. You can’t assume something is ineffective because it is not how
you expect it to look based on your environment and upbringing.

> doing ‘whatever’ might cure diabetes, but it’s probably wiser to place
> your bet on treatment and control and learning to live with it.

"Learning to live with it" has to be an aspect of any current day - but
if you do not aim to repair it at a future time, you never will!
It’s like trying to get a bullseye when you don’t look towards the
target:-))) Won’t happen.
To succeed in getting rid of diabetes, you actually have to work at
doing just that:-)))
I would never advise someone to "just live with it" rather than taking
action towards achieving an improved situation.

If you don’t look for an improvement you will never find it:-)
As it says in my tagline "Man who say it cannot be done should not
interrupt one doing it."

Namaste,
Irene

I believe one of the WORST problems with type 1 diabetes is simply
that people are told by their doctors: "You have type 1 diabetes and
this is Not Curable and You Must be On Insulin for the rest of your
life…and your pancreas does not produce enough insulin and if you
don’t take insulin….YOU WILL DIE!"

Our minds are more powerful than any absolutes about what is and what
is not possible. When we buy into the "incurable" BS, we have in
essence lost. If your daughter read about Sergei Boutenko was
diagnosed as type 1 and never took an insulin shot, changed his diet,
and is a healthy, happy vibrant young man over 10 years later, she
will understand their is another possibility. I’m glad to see you
have the "PH miracle for diabetes", this also shows the possibilities
for living drug and insulin free.

In David Wolfe’s book, "The Sunfood Diet Success System," he also
relates the story of a young lady who was a type 1, insulin dependant
diabetic who, after 7 months of a clean diet, no longer needed drugs.
She was coached by Dr Bernarr, who I have spoke with. He told me he
has had at least a dozen people he has worked with who got off of insulin.

A resource you should check out is The Creative Health Institute in
Michigan. They immerse you in a 2 week program and many miraculous
stories come out of that place. If feasible, your daughter and you
could stay on as volunteers after your stay to make the diet
transition easier. If I could hire a raw chef, I would. Everything
is easier when you work with and learn from an expert.

All the best,

Brock
PS. I forgot to mention, I am male, am married, have 2 children, am 39
and turned (or was diagnosed as) type 1 diabetic at 19 years old.

PSS. The idea of "normal insulin levels" is also debatable. The
doctor who was in the Biosphere found that the longest lived people
had very low levels of insulin in their bodies. Possibly this is
because they were better balanced than most and their bodies utilized
other means of regulating blood sugar. This doctor also noted that by
eating 30% less, the bodies health and energy INCREASES dramatically.
Possible this is why all these raw food vegans cure themselves of
diabetes, they are relieving some stress on the body.

By reading the messages of this group you agree to hold yourself FULLY
responsible FOR yourself.
Have a nice day !

SPONSORED LINKS
Diabetes supplies Diabetes test strips Diabetes Diabetes testing
supply Diabetes product Diabetes treatment

Visit your group "diabetescured" on the web.

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