supplements affecting bg

Hi,
Have any of you heard about possible side effects of ephedra, ginseng, and
ginger on bg values?

Any info would be appreciated.

TIA,

8 Responses to “supplements affecting bg”

  1. Dave Black Says:

    Here is something on American Ginseng.
    Similar postprandial glycemic reductions with
    escalation of dose and administration time of American
    ginseng in type 2 diabetes.

    Vuksan V, Stavro MP, Sievenpiper JL, et al. Diabetes
    Care 2000;23:1221-1226.

    OBJECTIVE: We previously demonstrated that 3 g
    American ginseng (AG) reduced postprandial glycemia
    (PPG) in type 2 diabetic individuals. We investigated
    whether further reductions can be achieved with
    escalation of dose and time of AG administration.
    RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS: Ten type 2 diabetic
    patients (6 men, 4 women; age 63+/-2 years; BMI

    27.7+/-1.5 kg/m2; HbA1c 7.3+/-0.3%) were randomly
    administered 0 g (placebo) or 3, 6, or 9 g ground AG
    root in capsules at 120, 80, 40, or 0 min before a
    25-g oral glucose challenge. Capillary blood glucose
    was measured before ingestion of AG or placebo and at
    0, 15, 30, 45, 60, 90, and 120 min from the start of
    the glucose challenge. RESULTS: Two-way analysis of
    variance (ANOVA) demonstrated that treatment (0, 3, 6,
    and 9 g AG) but not time of administration (120, 80,
    40, or 0 min before the challenge) significantly
    affected PPG (P<0.05), with significant (P = 0.037)
    interaction for area under the curve (AUC). Pairwise
    comparisons showed that compared with 0 g (placebo),
    3, 6, or 9 g significantly (P<0.05) reduced AUC (19.7,
    15.3, and 15.9%, respectively) and incremental
    glycemia at 30 min (16.3, 18.4, and 18.4%,
    respectively), 45 min (12.5, 14.3, and 14.3%,
    respectively), and 120 min (59.1, 40.9, and 45.5%,
    respectively). However, pairwise comparisons showed no
    differences between the 3-, 6-, or 9-g doses and any
    of the times of administration. CONCLUSIONS: AG
    reduced PPG irrespective of dose and time of
    administration. No more than 3 g AG was required at
    any time in relation to the challenge to achieve
    reductions. Because these reductions included glycemia
    at the 2-h diagnostic end point, there may be
    implications for diabetes diagnosis and treatment.

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  2. Dave Black Says:

    Here some info on Ginger but nothing related to BSL

    Pharmacological Activity and Stability of Ginger
    Extract Constituents.

    Ginger is common condiment and carminative. It has
    been used in traditional medicine for thousands of
    years. It is a
    fascinating herb used to treat a variety of illnesses.
    Currently, the most common medicinal use of ginger is
    as an anti-emetic
    and an anti-inflammatory agent. The rhizome of ginger
    contains a rich source of biologically active
    constituents including
    the pungent principles, mainly the gingerols and

    shogaols. In fresh juice, the gingerols were
    identified as major active components. However, it is
    evident that these components are chemically unstable
    towards heat treatment and acidic
    conditions. The major degradation product, shogoal, is
    formed by dehydration by way of the labile b
    -hydroxyketone
    moiety of the gingerols. A study is in progress to
    determine the stability of the gingerols and other
    ginger extract
    constituents under physiological conditions. These
    studies will enable further understanding of the fate
    of gingerols,
    either in fresh juice or in pharmaceutical
    formulation, when administered internally. The project
    involves the determination
    of the kinetic profiles of the gingerols and other
    ginger extract constituents. In addition, major
    degradation products will be identified and their
    biological significance evaluated. These studies are
    being carried out as part of a postgraduate project.

  3. Dave Black Says:

    American ginseng (Panax quinquefolius L) reduces
    postprandial glycemia in nondiabetic subjects and
    subjects with type 2 diabetes mellitus.

    Vuksan V, Sievenpiper JL, Koo VY, et al. Arch Intern
    Med 2000;160:1009-1013.

    BACKGROUND: Despite a lack of medical evidence to
    support its therapeutic efficacy, the use of herbal
    medicine has increased considerably. Ginseng, one of
    the most widely used herbs, is hypothesized to play a
    role in carbohydrate metabolism and diabetes mellitus.
    We therefore undertook a preliminary short-term
    clinical study to assess whether American ginseng
    (Panax quinquefolius L) affects postprandial glycemia

    in humans. DESIGN: On 4 separate occasions, 10
    nondiabetic subjects (mean [+/-SD] age, 34+/-7 years;
    mean [+/-SD] body mass index [BMI], 25.6 +/- 3 kg/m2)
    and 9 subjects with type 2 diabetes mellitus (mean
    [+/-SD] age, 62 +/- 7 years; mean [+/-SD] BMI, 29 +/-
    5 kg/m2; mean [+/-SD] glycosylated hemoglobin A1c,
    0.08+/-0.005) were randomized to receive 3-g ginseng
    or placebo capsules, either 40 minutes before or
    together with a 25-g oral glucose challenge. The
    placebo capsules contained com flour, in which the
    quantity of carbohydrate and appearance matched the
    ginseng capsules. A capillary blood sample was taken
    fasting and then at 15, 30, 45, 60, 90, and 120 (only
    for subjects with type 2 diabetes mellitus ) minutes
    after the glucose challenge. RESULTS: In nondiabetic
    subjects, no differences were found in postprandial
    glycemia between placebo and ginseng when administered
    together with the glucose challenge. When ginseng was
    taken 40 minutes before the glucose challenge,
    significant reductions were observed (P<.05). In
    subjects with type 2 diabetes mellitus, the same was
    true whether capsules were taken before or together
    with the glucose challenge (P<.05). Reductions in area
    under the glycemic curve were 18%+/-31% for
    nondiabetic subjects and 19+/-22% and 22+/-17% for
    subjects with type 2 diabetes mellitus administered
    before or together with the glucose challenge,
    respectively. CONCLUSIONS: American ginseng attenuated
    postprandial glycemia in both study groups. For
    nondiabetic subjects, to prevent unintended
    hypoglycemia it may be important that the American
    ginseng be taken with the meal.

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  4. Dave Black Says:

    research this site for ephedra

  5. Endy Smith Says:

    Ma huang(ephedra) has been banned from the market. There
    have been 43 confirmed deaths.

    Sincerely,

    =====
    Anecdotes are useless precisely because they may point to idiosyncratic
    responses.

    Pediatric Allergy/Immunology
    a peer-reviewed journal
    1999 Nov;10(4) 226-234

  6. Dave Black Says:

    Ephedra

    Ephedrine and related alkaloids are the
    pharmacologically active moieties of the extract of
    Ephedra (a genus of shrubs).19 Ephedrine constitutes
    30 to 90 percent of the alkaloids of Ephedra species.
    The extract of some species also contains
    pseudoephedrine.

    Patients should be advised not to use
    ephedrine-containing supplements if they have
    cardiovascular disease, hyperthyroidism, diabetes
    mellitus, benign prostatic hypertrophy or glaucoma.

    Ephedra (ma huang) is commonly found in herbal

    weight-loss products referred to as "herbal fen-phen."
    Some weight loss clinics and retail outlets promote
    herbal products as an alternative to the use of
    fenfluramine (Pondimin) and dexfenfluramine (Redux),
    the prescription anorexiants recently removed from the
    U.S. market.20 Herbal fen-phen products that also
    contain St. John’s wort are sometimes referred to as
    "herbal Prozac."

    Ephedrine-containing products are also marketed as
    decongestants, bronchodilators and stimulants.21 Other
    promoted uses include enhancement of athletic
    performance and body-building efforts. Marketed uses
    of ephedrine-containing products such as "herbal
    ecstasy" include induction of a euphoric state and
    heightening of awareness and sexual sensations.22 The
    FDA has advised consumers not to use
    ephedrine-containing products marketed as alternatives
    to street drugs.23

    In the past few years, the FDA has investigated more
    than 800 reports of adverse reactions associated with
    more than 100 different products that contained or
    were thought to contain Ephedra alkaloids.21 Reported
    adverse reactions have included insomnia, nervousness,
    tremor, headaches, hypertension, seizures,
    arrhythmias, heart attack, stroke and death.
    Approximately 56 percent of the reported adverse
    effects occurred in persons younger than 40 years old;
    about another 25 percent occurred in persons 40 to 49
    years of age. The relatively young age group in which
    serious cardiovascular events have occurred is of
    concern.

    In response to the reports of cardiovascular effects,
    the FDA has proposed a dosage limit of 8 mg every six
    hours (24 mg per day) for ephedra alkaloids. The
    proposed rule also calls for a label advising
    consumers not to use an ephedrine-containing product
    for more than seven days and warning that exceeding
    the recommended dosage may result in heart attack,
    stroke, seizure or death. The Association of Food and
    Drug Officials (AFDO), which represents state food and
    health department officials, believes that serious
    adverse effects to ephedrine-containing products may
    occur even at a dosage of 24 mg per day.24 In fact,
    life-threatening adverse reactions have been reported
    to occur with doses of 1 to 5 mg (dosages of 4 to 20
    mg per day).25 AFDO is also concerned that setting a
    dosage limit may imply that a safe dose exists.24

    Ephedra-containing products have also been associated
    with the development of kidney stones. Ephedrine,
    pseudoephedrine and metabolites comprised almost 100
    percent of a radiolucent stone removed from a
    27-year-old male body builder who took up to 12
    Pro-Lift tablets daily. Each tablet was found to
    contain approximately 10 mg of ephedrine. Information
    from a large kidney stone database shows that this is
    not an isolated incident; over 100
    ephedrine-containing kidney stones were identified
    from January 1996 to June 1997. It is not known how
    many of these stones were associated with the use of
    herbal ephedrine-containing products.26

    The risks of using ephedrine-containing supplements
    appear to outweigh the benefits. Consequently,
    patients should be advised not to use these products
    if they are sensitive to the effects of
    sympathomimetic agents.21 Such patients include those
    with hypertension, hyperthyroidism, diabetes mellitus,
    psychiatric conditions, glaucoma, prostate
    enlargement, seizure disorders and cardiovascular
    disease. Concomitant use of ephedrine-containing
    products and caffeine or other stimulants should also
    be discouraged

  7. Dave Black Says:

    Dick,

    I have never tried American Ginseng. After reading
    about it and its effect on BSL , I did a little
    research and what you see is what I learned, which is
    not much. I would try it if and when I get more info.
    I’ll keep you informed.

  8. Dave Black Says:

    Thanks, Micheal. I got 5the info I needed from these sites.

    Caitlyn

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